So, if a relative from out of town is driving your car, runs a red light, and has your cars' picture taken, who gets the points on the license and who pays the ticket?

YOU get a civil penalty (not points on your license) and then you can collect the fine from your errant relative, or just chalk it up to the cost of being related to a bad driver.

As many red-light runners as we have in this town, those cameras are gonna blow up the first day they go in to service!

about blasted time

The rampant, self-centered red light runners are among the most dangerous people on the road. I applaud the use of cameras to help deter them.

One more way to line the city coffers. Next is stop signs? Get rid of the real problem, over aged, under skilled, cellphone talking, map reading, non defensive drivers that seem to show up here during season.

this program is being implemented in every village, town, and city in Florida. there will be no points assesed, just a monetary penalty.

I am very happy this passed. The project will not be enacted tomorrow, but it will help.

I stop at red lights. My risk for being rear ended will not increase because I already comply with this law.

In another city, I was T-boned by a red light runner. He never even slowed down for the intersection and was driving above the 50 MPH speed limit. I was not injured beyond some bruising and whiplash because he hit behind the driver's seat and I was in a car with a well earned reputation for safety, but if I had a passenger behind me, I am not sure that they would not have sustained at least some injury (despite a curtain). I was NOT the first car through the intersection when the light turned green for us. It was an experience that was truly unforgettable.

I would like to see the fine amount to be $300 not any less...but I think they have it at $125 or $150.

While this in theory sounds like a great idea, folks this is just another attempt for government to increase revenue. Its disingenuous to believe that the commissioners voted for this because of safety concerns. Its about money.

Next will be speed cameras.

No, it is not about money...sanity. Were you watching the BoCC meeting? I was.

If you ever get T-Boned by a red light runner, come back and post again. I would bet your assessment would be different.

BlueTonguedVole,

I would support a $1000 fine by a cop for running a red light before I supported cameras in the intersections. Police presence and a hefty fine should do the trick.

Also, if you are habitual red light runner, I believe your license should be revoked for a few years since you obviously have proven incapable of operating a 2000 missile safely.

BlueTonguedVole,

I'm sorry for what happened to you Blue but I have seen many cities use cameras as another revenue stream.

Last month there were several articles on MSN about cities REMOVING their red-light cameras because they reduced revenue (people knew they were there) but the number of accidents weren't reduced, just changed to different types of accidents (rear ending).

I would much rather see a strong police presence enforcing the existing laws rather than to install cameras. I can say this even having been T-boned by a red light runner once on US41.

This whole operation worries me in that it will be a civil issue so another words a money maker for the county.

The way I am understanding it is that if you wish to fight a ticket you would not go to court. I also understand that to fight the ticket would cost more than the ticket itself. If this information is correct sounds nothing short of a money maker to me.

I would wish that the NDN would provide more information on just how this would work. If what I have come to understand about the workings of these cameras is true then I think that the public would not approve.

I was reading that 57 month study conducted in North Carolina by the Urban Transit Institute showed that found that accidents at intersection with these cameras actually increased by 40% and injury accidents increased by 40-50%. A similar study was conducted in Virgina. It showed a 29% increase in accidents at these intersections.

All this is caused my drivers slamming on their brakes to avoid a changing red light which in turn results in more accidents caused by rear end collisions.

Everyone should read Mark Strain's article in the Collier Citizen. I have to agree with him on this issue. Right now as it appears it sure looks like Big Brother raking in some funds for the county to make up for their budget shortfalls.

Good.

I won't have to wait 30 seconds after I get a green light to go?

We all knew this was coming. One more chapter in the Police state called Collier County.
We have enough cops sitting in their squad cars killing the grass on the median. Why can’t they watch the intersections that are problematic? Make no mistake this is about revenue!

Why not fix the traffic light grid? You shouldn't have to stop at every gated community to let one f&cking car out. This is just more stupidity, and a complete waste of money. The State, Christ himself, has already said no to traffic cameras. This ordinance will get thrown out in court.

Been there. I almost lost my sight in one eye. Had some plastic surgery. I am a "lucky" one. These runners need to be stopped. These are not preoccupied folks- the runners here are quite deliberate. They need to be stopped.

Good intentions, bad idea. Goodbye Mayberry, hello big city govt.

Waste of tax payer money...if we are going to have cameras do the job we should be able to cut down on all the overtime the cops get paid to sit in the medians.

I hope the commissioners are careful about who gets the contract. There was a problem with some of the cameras in DC. Seems one camera in particular was placed at a "non-intersection" and everyone who came near it got ticketed. It was revealed to be a strictly money making venture for the city. AAA latched onto that one like a tick on a fat dog.

I always find it odd that people oppose having cameras put up but instead want to put a person in the same spot. Would you rather have a camera where the footage can be recorded and viewed by all parties involved in any dispute or a deputy who has to be trusted to have seen things as they happened and then report it accurately & honestly afterwards?

Without getting into all the debates over the honesty of officers that tend to fly around here (I'm personally inclined to trust one until given reason not to), an officer could simply be looking in one direction when something happens in another direction. They could perhaps miss the actual incident or only see part of it. An officer could also miss seeing something at the time that could end up being important later on. A recording from a camera can be viewed many times.

All in favor.....Si

You are correct pauls. Humans are prone to make mistakes. The camera doesn't lie, or make mistakes.

I'm for it.
Ain't scared.

Pauls, I oppose the cameras as well as having dougnuts sitting in the medians. Use the money to FIX THE TRAFFIC LIGHT GRID. It's idiotic having to stop at every gated community to let one car out. Fix it and people might not have to run red lights.

Most people upon seeing law enforcement immediately put on their good driving skills (drive the speed limit, stop fully at stop signs, dont tailgate, stop ontime for stop lights and so on). As soon as they are out of sight the crazy driving begins again. People will forget about the cameras since they arent very noticeable and arent paying much attention anyway so the cameras can be more effective than law enforcement being visable at intersections.

The penalty for the first time you run a red light: money....second time: money.....third time: money.....fourth time: money.... you never get any points and you never lose your license no matter how many times you do it.

Now, tell me it's not about money.

riiiiiight.

acually, in collier the answer is already installed: countdown crosswalk signs. only problem is at 0 the light turns amber/red in milliseconds! i lived in Southern california when decades ago the "no walk" would flash then stop flashing and you knew in 4 seconds the traffic light would turn yellow. of course for some this will always mean "speed up!", but for the law abiding it gave us time to flash our brake lights and not get rear ended if some distance from the intersection. but also, if near (by near i mean if going the speed limit) the intersection, you KNEW the light would not turn red so fast you would have to slam on your brakes hard to try to stop. resulting in the person behind not being able to stop.

also i have noticed, as i ride a motorcycle almost every day, that i make most of the lights when at least 10mph over the speed limit. if i ride at the speed limit i hit many more red lights.

to me, this is encouraging speeding and making it harder to stop at the eventual red light.

One more step toward the police state that the powers that be in Collier are hoping for.
Don't synchronize the traffic lights, Do stop 4 lanes of traffic for one car exiting Pelican Bay or on Anchor Rode, Do set up a traffic tower that everyone knows is empty, Do park empty cars around town in hopes of fooling people. What a scam.

Tookie, there are people out there running red lights on a daily basis. I see them at Goodlette & Golden Gate Pkwy every single day, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same people. You can't blame that on the traffic light grid and there's no gated communty there either.

I say get your butts out of bed and off to work on time so you don't have to speed and race through lights to get there. These people are putting all of our lives at risk and it has nothing to do with the timing of the lights.

Before wasting even more of our tax dollars, did any of the board look into some other options?

Do you think this entire county is comprised of sheep and we're all just going to continue standing around BAAing all day long? Do you really thing no one is watching as you go on these ridiculous shopping sprees? Can you not find a more useful way to spend the millions of dollars you are so carelessly throw around? (Henning and Coletta always seem to be the only ones with any common sense and they get outvoted every single time!) It's becoming abundantly clear most of you could care less about anyone in this county. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! I'm sick of it!

I am NOT and red light runner and I hate them just like everyone else but cut me a break!

It's illegal to use these cameras so they're trying the "loophole", like some of the other counties. This will not be a driving violation. You will not get points, nor will it appear on your driving record. It's all smoke and mirrors to garner even more revenue.

The cameras are illegal because they have been PROVEN to increase accidents, increase injury crashes, and have not shown ANY decrease in severe crashes.

Who supports the cameras? You guessed it, the insurance companies! Not for your safety - it's all about the money and increased premiums!

This article recently appeared in the Florida Public Health Review. See for yourself!
http://hsc.usf.edu/NR/rdonlyres/C1702...

All you need is license plate blocker spray or a deflector shield and your plate becomes invisible to these cameras. I will be ordering mine ASAP.

http://www.phantomplate.com/
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lasph...

Actually...all you have to do is to STOP AT RED LIGHTS AND IT THEN IS NOT ABOUT MONEY!!!! Duh (yes, I was shouting).

It won't cost you one red cent if you don't run the lights. How stupid can people be that they think that it is OK to run red lights?

if collier's multimillion dollar programable traffic control system w/visual confermation of traffic conditions at any particular intercetion was competently operated, this wouldn't be an issue. we in the computer control industry call this an I.O.H.S. error.

Insuficient Operator Head Space.

When a light turns red there should be a 5 second pause before the the next light up, turns green.

You will never stop red light runners but this will save lives.

Also I pull a boat everyday and try to stop doing 45 coming up to large intersection when the light turns yellow. Can you say Jackknife!

If one doesn't read or speak English... how can one expect them to have a license to drive? Or know what red or green means? Ever been to Mexico City? Red lights mean nothing in that city!

Ticket issuing by remote control. Now they don't have to prove you are the driver. Crime by implication.
Think about this real hard. Do you believe it will stop here?

ASB, would you agree that if the crosswalk sign stopped flashing and gave you a consistant time (four to 6 seconds) to "yellow" and then (at least 4 more seconds)"red" that you could get used to would you find that helpful in not worrying about flipping your rig?

i agree that this is still a short amount of time but if too long people will just not care and drive on.

"All you need is license plate blocker spray or a deflector shield and your plate becomes invisible to these cameras. I will be ordering mine ASAP." posted by umleed.

You've got to be kidding me! It's people like you that makes all this the more reason to implement this kind of procedure. There have been too many times that I watch people ignore red lights. They know what they're doing and disregard it any way.

as a final note here, intersections HAVE had 4 second red lights in BOTH directions but it has been noted that regular commuters are not all that stupid and soon realise that fact and then know that the red light is now a "yellow" light.

sometimes you just can't win.

What has happened in other jurisdictions is that they shorten the time that the yellow light is displayed in order to catch more red light runners, issue more tickets and collect more dollars.
Whadda you wanna bet that happens here?

12gauge, that has been the policy here for years! but with the crevat that people will stop. some do but the ones behind don't have time to decide if the ones in front will or won't. this has been a great concern to me as i ride on two wheels. i have many a time just beat a yellow and look in my mirror and see a dozen more on my heels! god help me if i had tried to stop!

but if anyone is wondering, i feel that ticketing cameras are for the county coffiers and will not save any lives.

12gauge, watch the reruns of the meeting. The County and CCSO both advocated making the yellow lights LONGER, not shorter, and having a delay before the red changed to green.

They also discussed working on better coordination of traffic controls.

Too many seem to want to ASSUME versus listen. Again, watch the reruns.
swfl_ff, Mark Strain was off the Mark on this one issue.
T-bone anyone? Nope, the STAKE (steak) is too high for that kind of accident.

wwww. collier needs all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ . com

Just another high tech REVENUE SOURCE!
If they really cared about HUMAN LIVES, this technology has been around for a while now.

It's all BBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Just like the stupid SEAT BELT rule.

Ever see a truckload of Mexicans hanging off the tailgate get poulled over ? NO!

Yet, John Q citizen gets pulled over w/o seatbelt it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ REVENUE TIME!

GOVT NEVER CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE...just THEIR JOBS!!!

swfl_ff writes in #14: "The way I am understanding it is that if you wish to fight a ticket you would not go to court. I also understand that to fight the ticket would cost more than the ticket itself. If this information is correct sounds nothing short of a money maker to me."

Nope you could fight the citation (which would be reviewed by an officer) by going before the Honorable Brenda ...something who is the Special Magistrate. This judge hears the civil cases for Code, Parks and Rec, DAS and CCSO. It does not take $$ to contest the citation. This judge is quite fair. Watch this proceeding sometime and see for yourself.

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Rumors seem to spread so much faster than truth. Take the time to watch the meeting online or in reruns. MSN and other resources found online often are not credible when it comes to studies. Unfortunately too many studies are not done scientifically and even when they are ...they are often misinterpreted. Like Commissioner Coyle said...one can find "studies" to justify just about anything you want.

If you stop at red lights, you have nothing to be worried about. I would rather be hit from behind than ever t-boned again. Since I DO stop at red lights now, it is the "chance" I take every time I stop for one. Yes I do watch my mirrors constantly so I know who/what is behind me and to the right of me, and to the left of me.

Be prepared to stop when the light changes to amber unless it is unsafe to do so, ie an 18 wheeler on your bumper on a wet road. The UK has had this law for ever and although red light running is not unknown it is far less common than here. The UK also has (or had?) a "catch all" traffic law which could be applied to almost any distracted driver situation. "Driving with "without due care and attention" I think it was called which could be used for anything including cell phone use if an accident occured.

“This wasn’t activated by the Sheriff’s Office, it was activated by this commission years ago,” Commissioner Donna Fiala said, referring to installing cameras. “Never ever, ever has it been motivated by money. We’re trying to save lives, that’s all. And no one has to pay a buck if they don’t run a red light.”

YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH RIGHT!!!!!!
And how much do these gadgets COSTS ???
And tell us about the R.O.I studies on them?

HOGWASH POLITICIANS

“The county manager told me it will generate $1 million per intersection per year,” Henning said after the vote. “That’s not public service to me.”

DONNA FIALA you are so FULL OF IT!!!!!

"not about money...bout lives"

Why don't you do something useful about the BAD ECONOMY for many here by fining EMPLOYERS of ILLEGALS $5000 per day ?????????

And then maybe those traitor b@stards would hire REAL AMERICANS for a decent wage...

POLITICIANS don't have the sack for that!

Exactly jimboaw.

While reading this I get this picture of our lovely police officers, who already have little to do, sitting at Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks. Then they get a page or call and say "blasted I have to go work now, that stupid camera caught another one".
Less work, more money. Way to go Collier.

IDDDDDDDDDDIIIIOOOOOOOOOOTS!!!!!

Just wait till all those scarred about getting a 2nd or 3rd traffic light ticket....
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMmmm on their brakes at the last second on a changing yellow they could have made and an 18 wheeler SLAAAAAAAAAMMMSSS!

The lawsuits will be FLYING!

Exactly TROJANZZZ!!!!

Lazy cops standing around 7-11 in teams of 6.

Should be out in full force patrolling traffic.

Gotta hand it to the NAples City Police.
They might be d$%$%$! but they are always patroling!

d$%$%$. ? not enough letters but if you mean dip$h1t$, then i agree.

Seems simple to me. Just drive properly & safely...no tickets!

Have you seen how many people are getting their driver's license suspended in traffic ticket court here in collier county? If you have a speeding on your driving record, and you go to traffic court for speeding, the county court judges are suspending DLs for three months in alot of cases.

Blue I respect your feelings on this issue as I too was T-boned once by a red light runner. Not a pleasant experience. But I do worry about what will happen to the rear end accident rate with these cameras.

I make a it a regular practice to stop at red lights. In turn I have been hit a number of times and nearly hit several additional times because of this little habit I have of stopping for red lights. I have experienced it from both sides I guess.

I will see how this all works out but it concerns me that this another big brother type of thing in a county that is well known for it's big brother mindset.

Lazy lazy policing of red lights....there should be officers out there, not sitting at computers saying..."yeeehaw boys we nabbed another sucker."

I was stopped at a GREEN light to turn left today with some A*ss leaning on his horn for me to go. My vision was blocked with a huge truck across also turning left. I WILL NOT turn through oncoming traffic when I cannot visibly see. Jerk sat behind me flipping me and cursing~ what?? 30 seconds for the left green arrow is going to make you late? Civilians should be aloud to ticket other civilians. Hope he was 30 seconds late.

ASDFASDF,

HUH? Please explain as this is totally contradictory to Florida Statute.

This will not work. I predict that the community will demand the cameras be turned off. And by community, I mean the wealthy community. Lets not forget all the errors! How about if there's an accident and the intersection gets jammed? Imagine all the photos those cameras will take! This Orwellian scheme will be shortly lived. And our traffic lights are poorly timed, and there are PLENTY of lights that should not exist whatsoever. This community wastes so much money on BS its astounding!

workin4pnuts. that is so funny. as a motorcyclist i get to turn around and show them they are #1! i always hope they have a sence of humor as i have a concealed permit.

schlogz

POORLY times I agree!! Good God you could balance your check book while sitting at any light in this town! Even going speed limit be prepared to slam on your brakes when it goes from yellow to red. MY beef is the people who continually turn LEFT on RED because they think they are some acception to the LAW. Ticket them. It happens every rush hour. I've seen it with CCS car sitting right there!

Once ther get the cameras up that means I can Splat the red light runners with my over sized truck and make money doing it!!!!
Now all I can do is drop the hammer and make a run at them blowing the air horn to scare the ..out of them before stopping.....
Just a note folks.... you have the right of way when making a u turn against those who are turning right from a top sign or red light.....it seems about 90% of the people do not realize that ..I had to ask an office when I moved here 10 years ago...

mimibuck

I wish I could do the same. But with the people in this town carrying guns and released offenders on probation. I wouldn't even think of it. Be careful, and BTW~ I have great respect for anyone on the road on a motorcycle~lost a great co~worker in a tragic accident at too young an age~leaving a wife and three young kids behind. RED light runner turning LEFT, inexperienced young High School kid. The WORLD needs to SLOW DOWN.

I think this idea is stupid. How long do you think before everyone on the city knows the intersections that the real cameras are at? I bet you can guess just but the populations of certain intersections which ones are going to get it like that new Brick covered rain forest of an overpass at Golden Gate and Airport. God don't even get me started on wasting money.

But even still once the intersections are known yes the cameras may lessen the red light running at those intersections but what about the ones where they cameras aren't.

and what about the person that never runs a red light but just happened to be looking away when it turned yellow and has no time to make a safe stop especially if it's raining. Are these factors going to be taken into account?

Either way I'm still strongly against this.

workin4pnuts, he/she ran out of tickets. happens all the time.

Many intersections have a yellow light that is far too short in duration. The length of yellow signals at intersections should increase by one second per each ten mile per hour rise in the speed limit over 25 mph. That would make traffic signals in places where the speed limit is 30 and 35 mph four seconds of yellow and at 40 and 45 mph five seconds. These changes would result in greater safety and less accidents. There is no way I can stop legally pulling my legal weight trailer five mph UNDER the speed limit when approaching some of these quick yellow lights.This has been part of the red light camera scam for years...shorten the time from five seconds or so to three and write those tickets. Maybe they could take this money and put more deputies at work in the morning patrolling the bus stops for the kids while they walk to them in the dark. This would offset all the personel setting up speed traps every morning??!!

I don't get it? Well in a way I do~check out the ARREST LOG on the CCSO web site on any given day. ALL the people UNEMPLOYED~ driving while license suspended~HABITUAL~offenders. NAPLES, FL~the official BANDIT state. Drive here and PRAY you get home in one piece!!

There we go! Get some cameras to do the cops job. That just means I'm going to see more cops sitting on the side of the road with the driver windows right next to each other talking away while they do nothing.

popeye63~That's the problem. YELLOW to red in light speed~you said it. AND the other problem~people who MAKE their own RULES of the ROAD~turning left on RED when it's been RED after 6 cars!!!

swfla_rr, they addressed the issue regarding an initial increase in rear enders. Yes, there was a small rise, but once citations were issued the rate went back down.
I have had an idiot drive right into my bumper when ALL lanes of traffic was stopped during a jam caused by a T-bone accident (ironic). This dude just was jabbering away on his phone and had his arm around his girlfriend (steering with his knees I guess) when he failed to notice all traffic was standing still. He lost his radiator and I got a scratch in a bumper. Never pleasant being hit...but I would take that kind of whiplash versus a crush injury from a direct side hit.
I am surprised you as a firefighter would not want to see red light running addressed this way. As a public service employee, you know about coverage and budgets. As a firefighter trying to get to a scene, you know how dangerous it is going through an intersection. But we may agree to disagree here. I also respect your thoughts. If you can watch the debate on the reruns, I urge you to do so.

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While some of the bloggers (red light runners?) think this is some kind of Machiavellian plot to get into their wallet, I think most people who do drive safely will support this ordinance. If somehow it costs the people who BREAK the LAW by running a red light money, I say, if you don't have the dime, don't do the crime. Common courtesy on the road isn't common anymore as some think they are out there playing video games! When your femur is fractured and you are bleeding out from the severed artery, maybe you won't think it is a game anymore...but how many innocent lives will you hurt with you for your manic rageful driving? Yet so many complain about the price of gas! What hypocrisy.

LOL swfl_ff...I renamed you after the TimeWarner internet service (RoadRunner) which is no more. Sorry,

BRAVO!! BlueTongedVole~I could not have said it BETTER~the rest of them need to get over it. If it SAVES lives then why is it a problem? MORE than RED light runners but the aggressive driving here that is such a problem. You want to lower your taxes? Be proactive and support CHANGE!!

You liberals want more govt. in your lives-you got it!!

Here comes big Government! Leave this town while you still can. Collier County should post signs that read..'Beware, Big Government is Watching'

Mikesgirl, do you not possess the logic to realize that there is a string of asinine, unsynchronized lights along Livingston, and isn’t isolated to the gated communities? Perhaps people are speeding through the golden gate light because they were stopped at the all the poopsie lights along Livingston. The Grey Oaks-Wyndemere light has no purpose belonging, especially when it trips (and impedes the flow of traffic along Livingston) to let ONE car out of the gated development. And the other poopsie feeder roads along Livingston. These also require you to stop so that ONE car may enter. I don't run red lights, but I can certainly understand why someone would run the light at livingston and golden gate. Please just do use all a favor and keep your caddy in the right lane so we don’t have to waste any of our time at the f&cked up traffic lights in this County.

Bottom line: Big Brother is watching...

This can only indicate that other cameras will soon be "watching" us most anyplace in town.

I think this will set a Precedent for this future occurance.

I tend to agree with many here, I don't think these cameras are for our own wellbeing more so then revenue producing.
I think Colliers biggest issue is regulating the traffic lights. Every light should have the same decent length of time for a yellow light and then a red light, every light seems to be different and certain times of the day are different as well...
Make every intersection light uniformly the same publisized duration. Let drivers know that EVERY light is going to be X number of seconds.
Clue us in, it would be greatly appreciated. I think some red light running is unintentional. Admit it,I know I've pulled into an intersection only to realize that light is now quickly yellow then red. Some of these Collier lights are really,really quick.

None of them are uniform, some have the left turn before the main straightaway light turns green, some AFTER.
Just seems to be a tactic to raise lost revenue.
AND FYI I don't run red lights. Those younger, ignorant days are long gone. Too old to be involved in any nasty accidents.

http://www.concurringopinions.com/arc...

sailnjed

just look at a recent traffic docket:
http://apps.collierclerk.com/
dockets/docview.aspx?id=37744

http://apps.collierclerk.com/dockets/...

#6 Posted by theabyss
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Get rid of the real problem
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It will, as soon as they have to start dumping out hundreds of dollars a month.

#9 Posted by Sanity
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While this in theory sounds like a great idea, folks this is just another attempt for government to increase revenue.
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Well lets just show them and quit running red lights and your theory will be shot!

Some of the roads here are really poorly designed, Pine Ridge and I 75 or Immokelee Rd. and I 75 ring any bells? (Cloverleaf on and off ramps would have helped out tremendously!!!)

I don't think Collier ever expected to be as large as it has become.Even with the declining seasonal traffic and ,many long time residents still leaving.

Regulate ALL the traffic signals for the same length of time. Give people time to react.
How frigging hard is that?

Some of these signals are really ridiculous. Vanderbilt Bch Rd for example, has some lights that seem to run through the whole traffic sequence cycle with left turn signals regardless of there is even traffic turning left.

More and more intersections have the no turn on red BS. Or ONLY the far right lane can turn on red, ONLY after stopping, AND not with pedestrians present.

Be interesting to see how the red light cameras work out.
Some interesting reading on red light cameras...

GREAT ARTICLE...
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/03...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/techn...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23710970/

#29 Posted by myrealname
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Now, tell me it's not about money.
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It is, money from the offender. You nail the average red light runner enough times he will eventually stop!

BTW: The points cannot be assessed unless you can prove who the driver is but you can ticket the vehicle and when it comes time to renew your tag you will have to pay up to get it.

#29 Posted by myrealname
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All you need is license plate blocker spray or a deflector shield and your plate becomes invisible to these cameras.
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You better keep abreast of the abilities of these cameras. These new ones have filters specifically designed to avoid those problems.
Didn't Mythbusters recently do a show on this and all attempts failed to block the camera view?

FYI: It is against the law in all states (though rarely enforced until now) to apply any covering that borders over or around plates that obscure any part of the plate whether opaque or even clear.

Sorry wrong quote on previous message.

#34 Posted by umleed
**QUOTE**
All you need is license plate blocker spray or a deflector shield and your plate becomes invisible to these cameras.
**END**

You better keep abreast of the abilities of these cameras. These new ones have filters specifically designed to avoid those problems.
Didn't Mythbusters recently do a show on this and all attempts failed to block the camera view?

FYI: It is against the law in all states (though rarely enforced until now) to apply any covering that borders over or around plates that obscure any part of the plate whether opaque or even clear.

#44 Posted by BlueTonguedVole
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The County and CCSO both advocated making the yellow lights LONGER, not shorter, and having a delay before the red changed to green.
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It may save lives but it will not stop red light runners. They will take into account the fact that they have even MORE time to push the envelope.

#52 Posted by naplestrek
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SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMmmm on their brakes at the last second on a changing yellow
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Be a responsible driver and if the light has been green awhile then be prepared to slow down BEFORE the last second.

Remember it is a privilege not a right.

I have been driving here for 40 years and I can almost tell when a light is about to change because I have driven through these intersections many, many times.

With all due respect, 'beatbyagirl' is correct.

I would not expect the revenue to be as high as the county dreams - once the cameras are installed, everyone will 'blacklist' that intersection until the cameras find nothing but maybe an occasional drunk.

I stop completely, it is just those that don't that scare me.

Why not try the 'old school' way? Place unused patrol cars at intersections with a dummy (no pun intended) behind the drivers seat. Rotate locations on a regular basis. No, you won't get extra revenue, but people will slow down for a patrol car. And the costs that come with the set-up, communications and review of the pictures go out the window. And the drivers still slow down.

Unless the cameras are mobile (like the camo hunters cameras) and not static, it will cost too much to change locations. Revenue will be lost due to familiarity of the devices.

Why not use the Sheriffs' Dept. to enforce all traffic laws! My observation of police units in the county, convience me that the Sheriff does not take the responsibility for truly protecting the public - traffic crashes and injuries far exceed the cost and victimization of crime in this county. Every officer should be trained and held responsible for traffic enforcement.

I have no problem with cameras, but would like the hundereds of police units to do their job as well. I see police units frequently running red lights... right on red without stopping, improper lane changes and failure to use turn signals...the list goes on!

If it is not about money than a sign stating that a camera is at the next intersection will cease red light running without tickets except for the stupid.
If you don't like the cameras RE-ELECT NO ONE!!!!

Tookie post #76: you need to go back and read my post, if you can read...I said this happens every day at Golden Gate Pkwy & Goodlette Rd. I am on the Pkwy in my Toyota.

My comment has nothing to do with the gated communities and the timing of the lights, just what I see on a daily basis on my way to work.

I'm not arguing that the timing of lights aren't a problem, or that it is/isn't stupid to have lights at entrances of gated communities so that one car can get out.

My point is that the red light runners are people in a hurry and/or not paying attention and can't be blamed on timing of the lights.

Amazing, don't do anything and they bi*ch, do something and they bi*ch.....just no pleasing you is there?

I'm all for it. NEXT we need to go after the cops who drive 60 in a 45 mph lane. When they speed, the other drivers follow on their tail. I see this on Immokalee Road everyday. You try to teach your kid to go the speed limit and you see the cop drive up on someones butt, they move over, cop speeds up and on and on...I for one am starting to call it in and complain. We should all do it. They cops car has a number on the bottom right hand corner. Turn their butts in. They are not above the law when they are on there way home from work. We can all be big brother. Sheriff Hunter, please talk to your guys and put a stop to this. Thanks!

Amen to that Brendy!

If anyone recalls how Brenda Garretson held a workshop with code enforcement staff only, to teach them how to write reports so as not to put too much information in writing; how to testify and not get rattled by lawyers representing people in code enforcement proceedings; and how code enforcement staffshould present evidence to make it easy for her to admit it...will undertsand that there will be no such animal as a fair hearing with her. I don't know of any such workshop offered to the general public..

P.S Is iy any coincidence that this ordinance was brought up at the same time there is a revenue shortfall in the County? This type of ordinance has been floating around many other Florida cities and counties for years.... And again I ask..what data has been gathered as to the number of major accidents and/or deaths in Collier County caused by red light running?

With the number of stolen tags on vehicles I would rather see more Deputies put on the streets to address this problem. Just look at the number of those on the Sheriff's arrest log of those driving without a Drivers License. And then is the driver being intoxicated and driving while running the red light? Remenber the white lights that were placed on the signal arms that were suppose to show when the light was red and a driver was running through it? Many of them have burned out in several intersections.

The first place a camera should be installed is at the intersection of Manatee Rd and US41. I've seen many cars and trucks run this light during afternoon hours. They never see the light, and don't even slow down. There should also be a flashing red light to bring attention to the fact that the light is indeed red. I saw one truck blow it, then the poor guy had to pull over, he was so rattled. This light needs to be more visible.