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Letter of the Day: For some strange reason
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer Ron Kick is correct in saying “It is the entrepreneur who has made this country great.”
I am one of many thousands of foreign nationals who came to the United States on E2 (entrepreneur) visas.
E2 investors purchase small businesses and employ American citizens. Our contribution to the economy is considerable and over 50,000 Americans are employed by E2 visa holders in Florida alone.
Both presidential candidates have promised (threatened?) to create a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal aliens and their children. Both have stated repeatedly that America welcomes legal immigrants, but seem blissfully ignorant of the facts surrounding their statements.
Foreign nationals are welcome to invest their life savings here and welcome to create employment for citizens. However, we are not welcome to become citizens ourselves. For some strange reason that no one can explain, we are barred from becoming permanent residents.
When the new administration begins the amnesty, I hope it will make provisions for those of us who followed the rules, abided by the law and came here legally.
Otherwise, those of us who paid dearly for the privilege of living and working in our beloved America will be forced to allow our visas to elapse and become illegal, just so we can stay!
Nina Mold, Naples
Letter: Can we see?
Editor, Naples News:
Re: Ethnic killings continue.
When will our purported civilized world wake up?
Have we learned the lessons from the Holocaust? I think not.
The ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Kosovo, Darfur and now Georgia is alarming, and it’s disappointing that the free world stands by and does absolutely nothing to avert this ethnic cleansing.
Now in Georgia, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (President Bush’s “soul mate”) defies the peace treaty, NATO and the United States in continuing to raze villages and killing Georgian males and community leaders of Georgia’s National Security Council.
Putin well knows that the U.S. is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan and is paralyzed to help the Georgian people in a meaningful way and block the Russians from continuing this genocide.
Wake up, America and NATO. Appeasement didn’t work before and it should not be a strategy to implement now.
Morris Herstein, Naples
Letter: Follow the oil money
Editor, Daily News:
The attack by Russia on the former Soviet state of Georgia is not unprecedented. In fact, it seems that Vladimir Putin has finally found a mentor to help him through a very troubled political stint in mother Russia.
The mentor, of course, is Adolf Hitler. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he took a province of Czechoslovakia, the Sudetenland, which had a large minority of Germans.
He attacked and overran the province, and then continued on to crush Czechoslovakia. He later did the same with Alsace-Lorraine and finally Poland. It wasn’t until the attack on Poland that the rest of Europe got the picture and fought back. His first two forays, however, were overlooked by the rest of Europe in the Munich Pact, providing he stopped at this point.
So, he took over a country and two states belonging to another country without Europe batting an eye. Here we have Putin, overrunning a state that belongs to Georgia. He then attacks Georgia on some flimsy precept that they don’t like the president. What does the world do? Nothing, just like Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia.
I’ll offer you this. Where the oil lies is where he’ll go next. So if I were the head of a government in Latvia, Romania, Estonia, et al., I’d be signing a bunch of treaties with the United States and the rest of Europe.
Have we forgotten the Hungarian revolt? How can we preach human rights and ignore the first shot of a salvo that is to follow, and mire our planet in yet another war.
Brian P. Kenedy, Bonita Springs
Letter: Oy Fay!
Editor, Daily News:
I want to congratulate the Daily News.
My paper was in the driveway when I went out to look for it at 7 a.m. Tuesday.
And not only was it on time, but it was dry!
My appreciation to the news carrier; I live in Crown Pointe.
Jo An Carter, Naples
Letter: Views from afar
Editor, Daily News:
Like thousands of people around the globe, I have an elderly parent in the Naples area.
This is a note of gratitude to the Daily News for its consistently thorough and professional coverage of events like Tropical Storm Fay. It immeasurably helps us make decisions about what to do and provides a running account of the weather system’s buildup and passage, the damage as it unfolds and the aftermath.
Over the past few days, the Web site of the U.S. National Hurricane Center was periodically overwhelmed and effectively shut down. But my brother in New York and I in Europe were always able to get through to naplesnews.com for timely updates.
As a longtime journalist myself, I know how exhausted your editors and reporters must be. They did you proud.
Frank Viviano, Barga, Italy
Letter: The very best; period
Editor, Daily News:
Gov. Charlie Crist will soon be replacing Kenneth Bell and Raoul Cantero, who are both retiring from the Florida Supreme Court for family reasons.
An article in your Saturday edition noted that Crist is frustrated by the lack of diversity in the nominees given him, i.e., the fact that there are no women or minorities included.
What I want to know is when Crist is going to stop playing politics and choose the best judges for the job? We need a governor who is not tip-toeing around the (un)American Civil Liberties Union or trying to bolster his chances for re-election.
Most of us don’t care if all the judges on the court are black, Hispanic or whatever, as long as they are the best available with the most to offer us from the standpoint of making sensible decisions and being honest, diligent and of good character.
In this day and age of political correctness, it would be refreshing to have a governor who has the intelligence, foresight and guts to do what is needed.
Gov. Crist, please just do the right thing and choose the very best Florida has to offer!
Heather Capitanio, Bonita Springs
Letter: Great Samaritans
Editor, Daily News:
While going through a very difficult time in my life of being the single mother of four children, I thank God for my two friends and neighbors, Jacie and Rich Cahoon.
They have been supportive and helpful in more ways than I could possibly write about.
If I could give recognition to this wonderful couple for all the good deeds they have done for my family, it would be a blessing for me. I could never give back what they have given us. It is wonderful to find people who honestly care about others in a time of need.
Thank you for being wonderful and caring to my family and me. I could never have gotten to where I am now if it were not for the two of you.
Melissa Karlis, Naples
Letter: God bless you
Editor, Daily News:
A special thank you to the nice couple who took the time to personally escort my wife and I from the Sweetbay supermarket on Goodlette-Frank Road to the Advanced Medical Center for emergency treatment for an in-store accident.
Kudos also to those wonderful people from Sweetbay who assisted in this accident emergency.
Unfortunately, the cause and extent of the emergency did not allow me to get their names.
Jim Herman, Naples
Letter: Just like magic
Editor, Daily News:
I suddenly remembered when I was very young and all of my friends got together to discuss world events and who was the best ballplayer, Joe DiMaggio or Hank Greenberg, etc.
We also discussed our favorite uncles. You know, the ones who invented little things, usually in their garage or basement.
I remember well the uncle who went into his garage, mixed up some leftovers and a secret ingredient known only to him, dropped it into a barrel of water and, lo and behold, pure gasoline, right then and there.
Then there was my best friend’s uncle who worked on his carburetor and started getting 50 miles per gallon of gas.
Many of us wonder what happened to these shade-tree mechanics and inventors. The story was the oil companies kidnapped them and their inventions, and are keeping them on some deserted island.
Wouldn’t it be great if the bad oil companies finally released our incarcerated uncles and their pills and carburetors and solved our oil woes. Maybe this would keep Nancy Pelosi’s big mouth shut.
John D. Schmahmann, Bonita Springs
Letter: ’Happy contrast’
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer Anne Marie Gressani decries the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama because his eloquence may convince the “gullible” to vote for him.
Obama’s eloquence is grounded in solid positions. His approach to discussions with Iran has been adopted by the Bush administration after years of stubborn and fruitless neo-con approaches. His keen understanding that we should have and will pursue the terrorists in their home, the border regions of Afghanistan, is a reasoned and cogent approach to throttling al-Qaida. His position opposing the Iraq war from the beginning is a powerful emblem of his good judgement.
As a well-versed expert on the Constitution, Obama is unlikely to trample on the rights of citizens, as our current administration has shown itself willing to do.
Finally, being rid of the cowboy approach to government, and to take pride as a well-spoken, respected president, is a happy contrast to that which we endure.
John G. Lynch, Naples
Letter: Very big difference
Editor, Daily News:
The comparison, inferring similarity of the Russian invasion of Georgia to the U.S. overthrow of Saddam Hussein, a power-seeking, tyrannical, brutal Iraqi dictator by the mainstream media, political cartoonists and letters to the editor, is ludicrous — bordering on farcical politics.
Russia went into Georgia on the pretext of protecting Russians in two states that were trying to secede from the Georgian union and as things proceed, it seems, to annex them to Russia as well.
Georgia was only trying to hold its own democratic union together. Whereas, the U.S. after Sept. 11,2001, in its pursuit to protect us from terrorism and stabilize the Middle East, went into Iraq to depose Saddam Hussein to stop him from using Iraq as a training ground to train terrorists to not only support the worldwide terrorism conspiracy, but to terrorize his own people with genocidal practices; to stop his continuing efforts to produce weapons of mass destruction and to stop his continuing quest for more dictatorial control in the Middle East.
The information and data gathered over the past five years and the current situation corroborates the U.S. position.
Ralph E. Patsfall, Fort Myers Beach
Letter: Mission to match policy?
Editor, Daily News:
In a recent editorial the Daily News stated — in defense of a proposed oversight advisory panel for Clam Bay — “Clam Bay is a public asset, a public waterway, and what happens to it and how it is managed is of interest beyond the borders of Pelican Bay ... .”
Agreed.
I don’t live in any of the communities which border Clam Bay, but I frequent the area on a year-round basis and have watched the controversy over Clam Bay evolve.
Initially, the claim of sea grass “die-off” led to the county-funded Tomasko report. When consultant Dave Tomasko’s report did not suggest dredging would be helpful to the health of the Clam Bay system, the issue morphed to navigational markers and the accusation that Pelican Bay had fallen down on the job regarding such (not according to the Department of Environmental Protection, however).
Now the issue is being framed as one of control —- Pelican Bay versus “the county.”
The real issue — the health of the Clam Bay system — has been lost. Let’s review the Tomasko report and consider the best way to effect those recommendations. If an oversight committee is constituted, consider a mission in keeping with those recommendations.
Reconsider the representation on this committee. Does a condo community (Naples Cay), which advertises weekly rentals, represent the interests of the city of Naples? I think not. Nor should geography be the sole criteria for membership.
Clam Bay is a magnificent place, one deserving of our care and enjoyment.
S.C. Ritas, Naples
Letter: Get real and get oil
Editor, Daily News:
The present congressional meltdown which prohibits drilling for oil on the continental shelf or in Alaska is the result of selfishness, ignorance and legislative meddling.
In the United States, oil was first discovered in Titusville, Pa., in 1859, hence the name Pennzoil. Northwestern Pennsylvania has always had wonderful, productive farms side by side with oil wells.
Later, oil was discovered in Texas and Oklahoma. Today, as you drive through Oklahoma City and across those states, you can see hundreds of oil wells pumping away without environmental damage.
On a recent cruise, I was amazed to see working oil platforms close to the coast of California near Los Angeles, not 50 miles out. These areas have supported our economy, but are running out of supply. In the 1970s I bought regular gasoline for less than 40 cents per gallon. In the 1990s it was less than $2 a gallon. Since then it has doubled. Why?
Blinded by the green lobby’s political correctness, our Washington representatives have blocked exploration for oil and refused new refinery construction. Because of them, we have had to import more and more oil. It’s time to return to energy independence by increasing oil production significantly and reducing dependence on foreign supply.
Vote for legislators who will put our economy and workers first and will eliminate the regulations that have caused the huge increase in gasoline prices. Yes, we need other sources of energy, but until they are producing energy, oil remains the fuel of necessity.
Warren White, Naples
Letter: Relationships with God
Editor, Daily News:
Since the recent presidential debates in Saddleback Church were mainly about character and less about the candidate’s relationship with God, it is difficult to comprehend letter-writer Henry Kolesinski’s Linda Blair-like reaction.
What I do find interesting is that when the topic of religious influences came up, Barack Obama conveniently neglected to mention the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his mentor and leader of the church of segregation — a church where Obama spent nearly half of his life, had his children baptized and got married.
Kolesinski’s assertion that intellectual capacity is the supreme measure of a leader could not be more wrong. While John McCain had clear, concise and decisive answers that illuminated his character and made him the clear winner of the debate, Obama’s intellectual attempt to straddle both sides of each question made him look like an appeasing politician trying to please both sides.
What level of bitterness leads a human being to think of a child saying grace aloud in a public-school lunchroom as a cause for litigation? Do liberals really feel that any reference to God suffered by their children is mental contamination and, thus, grounds for a lawsuit?
Ironically, the ACLU and its fanatic cronies are every bit as zealous trying to obliterate God from society as Tomas de Torquemada was in trying to purify the people of Europe during the Spanish Inquisition.
George Koleszarik, Naples
Letter: ’Chasing the phantom fix’
Editor, Daily News:
It is amazing that some readers continue to believe we can solve our energy crisis by drilling for more oil, despite the hard facts.
First: According to the U.S. Department of Energy, any new drilling would not produce oil for at least another decade.
Second: There is no guarantee that the additional oil would remain in this country. In the first quarter of 2008 alone, U.S. oil companies exported 1.6 million barrels per day. Oil is a fungible world commodity, and is sold to the highest bidder. Soaring demand from developing countries like China and India will continue to impact prices much more than any increased U.S. production.
Third: The oil companies already hold options to drill on 65 million acres of federal land. Why the need to add millions more acres before their current inventory has been exploited?
Fourth: There is an immediate need for more refining capacity in the United States, but despite record profits and taxpayer handouts, the oil companies have consistently failed to invest in new refineries. Big oil is motivated by profit, not patriotism. Why is this so surprising?
Republican stalwart T. Boone Pickens says it best when he tells us that this is one crisis we simply cannot drill our way out of. We must develop alternative sources of energy. Chasing the phantom fix of more drilling is nothing more than a dangerous diversion, which will do little to stabilize energy prices or help the struggling U.S. economy.
Tom Robinson, Bonita Springs
Letter: Not all happy endings
Editor, Daily News:
I know how letter-writer Katie Graffeo feels and I agree with her, “There aren’t all good or honest people out there.”
My husband and I are both disabled. He does the grocery shopping. I do the cooking.
While at the Winn-Dixie on Marco Island, he forgot his wallet. He went back, but no one turned it in. We had to cancel our credit cards, get him a new driver’s license and Social Security and Medicare cards, and lost $140 in cash.
It sure ruined our day.
Sylvia Ferro, Marco Island
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CRYSTAL BALL PREDICTIONS:
Braco's past associations will be his down fall. No question about it. As more becomes known, the more opinion of him is dwindling. See latest poll results this PM 8/20. "Yes, there is a God!"
Broom Hilary's roll call vote is going to back fire on Braco! You go girl!! May the "force be with you".
Bill is so excited that he maybe on his way back to the white house in order to do what he enjoys the most. Rumor has it that he is practicing daily his famous command "Please send in the next intern and shut the door!"
How do you silence a "liberal"? Demand that they produce the facts!
What group has the least "polictical experience/educational background" but when asked their opinion regarding politics they make tv, newspapers and magazine headlines? You guessed it...Hollywood! UNBELIEVABLE!!!
What candidate has 43 months in the senate, thinks there are 57 states, hangs around with the most "dubious" people in history, can't carry on a conversation without a prompter, hasn't "RUN" anything of substance and WANTS TO RAISE TAXES in an economy such as this? You guessed it...Braco Hussien Obama!
#1 Posted by knital on August 20, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Knital: Can you also predict the end of the world? It seems all you conservative Republicans are "tuned in" "upstairs". Maybe you can use your "influence" and give the rest of us,including liberal "sinners", time for redemption.
#2 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 20, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)
George Koleszarik, Naples
You say that "a child saying grace aloud in a public-school lunchroom as a cause for litigation" is a problem?
How long have you been out of Poland Koleszarik?
Or was that Russia?
For crying out loud, you are a Christian that I’ve been yearning to find. One that will help me see the light and have Jesus die for all my many sins; where are you now?
Don't you know about the separation of church and state.
Don't you know that American public schools are secular by design?
How daft can you be?
Would you like to see Muslims and Jews and Buddhists yelling their prays out all over the campus because you think that’s OKAY?
#3 Posted by hesaves on August 20, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please, please, election '08, get here as quickly as you can so everyone can give it a rest! How extremely over-the-top. Do we really hate each other this much?!
#4 Posted by almasonlybar on August 20, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buy yours now... beat the October rush:
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#5 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 20, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Grandma,
How about winning an Olympic swim event with your eyes closed? Counting your strokes to the wall. The human spirit knows no boundaries.
#6 Posted by boulderbilly on August 20, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Rejoice: This Soetoro name that has scared the bee-jee-bees out of you and your compatriots - I see, according to CNN, that Obama's mother's second husband's name was the same. Is that so strange to understand? Why is that some kind of "deception" by Obama? Is that just paranoid behavior on your part? You need help.
About prayers, hell a lot of kids don't stand for the pledge when recited in school. What should be done with them? Very unpatriotic - tresonable? You better write your GOP congressman tonight.
#7 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 20, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice. Man you really don't know much about kids. Barry instead of Barack? Some of my kids don't like their first names. One threatened to change his, but seems to cooled down a lot as he gets older.
Having gone to a number of parochial schools, even in the past, it was not uncommon to have students in class not of the same religious persuasion. I wouldn't automatically identify them as religious because they were part of the student body.
These situations are hard for conservative Republicans to grasp. If it isn't black or white, it can't be "right". That is a pun!
#8 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 20, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
oh my god! Barack's Indonesian grade school registration form disappeared???? Shocking! A conspiracy!
Tell us about Bush' records from the military disappearing--all over the country! Heck, tell us about BUSH disappearing for a year from the military.
#9 Posted by opnmind on August 20, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Heck, tell us where he disappeared to again this week.....Oh, right, he is on vacation again. Bush will never forgive Putin. Invading Georgia postponed his vacation by one day.
And ya know how hard it was to squeeze it in between the Olympics and football season?
That brings us to George Bush's greatest accomplishment. At 579 days of vacation, he has successfully worked harder at working less than any president in history.......
#10 Posted by boulderbilly on August 20, 2008 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No one is preventing children from praying "before a school day." I encourage it.
Off of taxpayer property. If someone wants to get together with like minded friends, be it Christians, Muslims, or the KKK, fine. Just do not do it on property I pay for with my tax dollars for the express purpose of education.
BTW, the founding fathers also prevented women from voting and ownership of slaves. Times change. So your argument about their intent is irrelevant.
#11 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
and "allowed" the ownership of slaves.
sorry
#12 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The "empty suit" is showing how empty the suit is....and the left is in a panic. Great fun!
#13 Posted by bondini on August 21, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Alma - have been a reader of these forums for many years now. Hate to tell you but it does not end after the election. As I recall, just prior to 2004 election, things first started getting hot and heavy in here politically (both sides) and it's never ended since.
Got a feeling it has very little to do with people trying to convince other true believers of their positions (fat chance). Rather it is about people who like to hear themselves talk and think the rest of the public waits breathlessly for their pearls of wisdom that we can't get elsewhere.
John Riccio - perfect example. Traditionally shows up on days his LTTE are printed.
#14 Posted by naplesregular on August 21, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Elephanttamer......re your #147 yesterday.....limbo was never a teaching of the church.....it arose in St. Augustine's time who concluded unbaptized babies could not go to heaven because we are all born with origional sin and therefore the unbaptizes would not be allowed in heaven with sin
however some local churches still thought limbo was a solution when in reality theologians were preaching otherwise
Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict have spoken most strongly on this subject that God in His love would never deny the unbaptized babies their place in heaven
#15 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
gatorhater,
I can see why you don't want athletics at school. If my team got their arse handed to them every time they played in the SWAMP, I'd feel as you do as well.
There is one major difference between athletics and religion at school. Football coaches do not try to influence social policy. Religious leaders do.
Keep the pastors, Fathers, Imams, and Popes in their churches where they may preach whatever they want. If anyone wants to hear there message, have at it.
As far as athletics, a sound body helps a sound mind. And very few coaches have any agenda about legislation in this country. As one liked to say "when ya get to the fork in the road, take it." That's about as apolitical as ya can get.
And don't anyone ever forget
GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#16 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Or they can move to Iraq and let the neocons tax the hell out of you to provide, ARE YA READY FOR THIS,
NATIONAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL IRAQI'S!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christmas in July!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free health care provided by Halliburton, paid for by the US taxpayer, all thanks to the neocons!!!!!!!!!!!
So when the single mother that lives next door and works two jobs with no benefits, has a sick child, tell her we can't help. President McBush and Senator McSame are more concerned with the single mother in Fallajah. And the defense industries profits.
Make sense to you? Than vote for more of the McSame.
#17 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Heck, no one can argue with the stunning successes of the last eight years of neocon leadership.
Let's see,there is ......
largest dificit in US history...
two ongoing wars, no end in sight...
housing crisis...
credit meltdown.....
devalued dollar.......
inflation........
rising unemployment.......
health care crisis........
energy crisis...........
toture by US Govt.........
Jeez, the list is too long and depressing.
Now is the neocons chance. Please name the successes of the NEOCON leadership......
We may have to wait a while folks. All the kool aid drinkers just lost their breakfast.
Well, list those achievements Rejoice and your associates.......
We're waiting.....
Quick, someone change the subject...dancin, dancin, dancin.......
LMAO.
#18 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Pebbles
The First Ammendment to the Constitution.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I guess you can "liberally" translate that into no prayer in school. I can't!
#19 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Deal For US Troops To Leave Iraq By June 30"
"These goals would reflect not only security improvements but also progress on the political and economic fronts."
Economic fronts: Like having a surplus?
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story....
POLL: When billy is singing about dancing, is he thinking Grateful Dead or Bee Gees?
#20 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I suspect boulderbilly and the other "no tax dollars for religion in schools" people would go wild if they lived in Ontario
we have two school systems..both in elementary and high schools....the public system and the separate school system which is Catholic
this arrangement is written in the Ontario constitution and both systems are financed with taxpayer money...we designate the education portion of our realty taxes to the system of our choice
and in both systems the teaching of the world's religion is part of the curriculum...in fact my grandson in grade 10 has just finished studying the Buddist faith and the next is the Jewish faith
in our universities...some of which are religious..but mostly non-denominational arrangments are made for students of various faiths to go to a separate room for study...i.e. Muslims have a room for their prayers..others have a chapel for reflection
it amazes me that non-believers are so afraid of religion that they will not allow the youth of today to expand their minds and learn about the world in which we expect them to make their way when they graduate
#21 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck:
This "limbo" question belongs just there, in limbo.
One of the things that hamper Catholicism, in my opinion, is the tendency to apply sort of a "federalist" approach to certain practices. For instance, it always made me wonder why there were various days of obligations in different locals. In Canada, they had only 2, at least that was the case a few years ago, while in the US we had 10, Now, of course, due I guess to limited vocations, it's hard to tell how many of those days are still "mandatory". There also seems to be a very "flexible" approach to matters as weekly attendance, requirement (from the past) in participating in the sacraments like communion. Confession is a "seldom" part of practice compared to decades ago. It has been a subtle "transition" to say the least. Limbo is inconsequential in the comparison of things.
#22 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Dead.
And is it the Rat Pack you dance to GF?
Although I've gotta admit, Sinatra is in a league all by himself.
#23 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah ya missed something rejoice. See any of the pictures of the corpses at Bagram AFB? After the special forces got a little carried away?
Oh, I forgot. That's from the dark side your leader Cheney doesn't want to talk about.
Wake up and smell the coffee Rejoice. We can't kill the bad guys as fast as we make them.
If you seriously want to question whether or not we torture people, go to PBS Frontline and watch the episode "The Torture Question." Ya might learn something about what is being done in YOUR name as an American.
#24 Posted by boulderbilly on August 21, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, Yes You missed a lot! Your delirious fantasizing and "comparisons" border on the absurb! Your "TAXING" reality with illusions of GOP grandeur where only the degeneration and degradation of incompetency existare schockingly dangerous. It in itself is a "strain" of terrorism. To contest or try to point out your ignorance would only be an exercise in futility. Your ilk are HOPELESS.
#25 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
See what happens when liberals face the truth, they get so mad they can only attack and call people names. Facts disturb them.
By the way, who will be Hillary's running mate when she gets the nomination? What a screwed up party.
#26 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think when McCain and all the GOP congressional candidates "crush" the Democrats in November, the Naples RNC and Abrahamson should reward Gonefishin and Rejoice a free two week vacation in Fallujah, Iraq. They will have "deserved" it. Don't forget your "body armor".
#27 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"People keep trying to align [Ayers] with Barack Obama," Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said. "It's really unfortunate. They're friends. So what?"
Now: Obama and Ayers are friends.
"So what?"!!!
Documents may show Obama and Ayers were close—far closer than Obama has acknowledged—over oodles of foundation gifts on education projects the two worked on together.
The problem:
The secret is hidden in the name of the library:
The Richard J. Daley Library.
They won't release the documents.
They're friends. So What?
#28 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dinnaples: I'm afraid what you define as "facts" are merely GOP rhetoric and propaganda derived from an illusion of superiority that doesn't exist.
#29 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ayers and Obama are friends.
So what?!!
http://www.reddit.com/comments/6xcza/...
#30 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mornin' Junior,
Dead fan here, too. Just finished "China Cat Sunflower/I Know You Rider" on Europe '72.
#31 Posted by almasonlybar on August 21, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer,
"Your" reaction is the rhetoric. How about facts. Pick one. Let's try torture. First of all, I do not consider waterboarding torture. There I differ from John McCain. I do not consider putting underwear on prisoners heads torture. I do think beheadings are a form of torture, don't you?
In all wars we hear of incidents that are in the extreme, even domesticly we have police brutality. But as a policy, please.
#32 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Now, however, scientists working on the [Antarctic] continent itself have uncovered the wooden remains of what they believe was an extensive forest that flourished only 400 miles from the South Pole about 3 million years ago."
http://pure-view.blogspot.com/2008/08...
#33 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McBush gave another stump speech to his choir a couple days ago and repeats the same Bush jr line about Bin Laden. I will find him, he can't hide from me, I will hunt him down and kill him.
A supporter say's, "But you can't do that without bringing back the miliary draft?"
McBush say's "I don't disagree with anything you just said". What does that mean?
BTW, McCain agreed with Bush jr when he stopped the search in Tora Bora and let Bin Laden excape and the a few years ago disbanded the troops that were asigned to find Bin Laden.
#34 Posted by bossman1 on August 21, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
elephanttamer....I think you will find our Holy Days of obligation are very similiar..see below....
January 1 the Feast of the Circumcision ... ALL
January 6 Epiphany....... E/W/S/I/C
March 17th St. Patrick’s Day..... I
March 19th St. Joseph..... S
Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter, the solemnity of the Ascension ......... ALL
Corpus Christi..... ALL
June 29 Ss. Peter and Paul...... E/S/I
August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary E/W/S/I/U/A
November 1, the solemnity of All Saints...... ALL
December 8, the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception ..... S/I/U/C
December 25, the solemnity of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ....... ALL
E = England W = Wales S Scotland I = Ireland U = United States C = Canada A = Australasia
as for confession...private confession is reserved for those who wish it and for serious sins...we perform the act of confession every time we attend mass with opening prayers and have done so since Vatican 11 when mass was said in English
#35 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"If I repeat it enough, it will be true..."
My suggestion is to practice what you preach and find something else to write
other than,
Out of date or
Out of context and always
Out of touch!!
Unless your goal is boring the crap out of people. In that case, you're doing a wonderful job.
#36 Posted by mthalo on August 21, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As usual, the gullible sheeple on the left simply regurgitate what their handlers tell them.
The questions posed to McCain were a lengthy line of questions regarding veteran's benefits with a statement at the end regarding the draft. In McCain's answer, he addressed the veteran's benefits.
There is an edited version of video from the meeting floating around the "progressive" blogs that seems to show McCain agreeing about the draft, but there are full (honest) versions of it out there as well.
One site with both for comparison is http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/20...
This is reminiscent of a few years ago when Rangel introduced a bill to reinstitute the draft and by the time it circulated the left blogosphere, all the moonbats were up in arms (figuratively of course since a white flag doesn't constitute "arms") about Bush wanting to reinstitute the draft.
#37 Posted by JoeyT on August 21, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"toture by US Govt.........sorry, I did not see any busted kneecaps, broken fingers, beheadings or slit throats at Guantanamo. Did I miss something?"
#39 Posted by Rejoice on August 21, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess Rejoice you did miss a lot
can you say "RENDITION" the practice of the US sending suspects to "black hole" prisons in foreign countries..like Syria...to be tortured
then there is Guantanamo where waterboarding and sleep deprivation were used on a 15 year old boy for six years before charges have been levied and for which the administration had to go through several military judges before they found one who would even attempt to hear the case
as for the famous prison in Iraq..why did people go to jail for torture if there was no torture
as for DinNaples...you don't consider waterboarding torture???tell that to people who had to undergo this method of "questioning"
and if you think underwear on the head was all that went on in that prison why were those prison guards tried and convicted?
said by someone from the comfort of his easy chair
#38 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
George Koleszarik -
Religion has caused so much confusion and intolerance that it is a crime that religion was ever invented. If religion teaches love, then why is there so much hate?
#39 Posted by rationalman on August 21, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck The last time I was in Canada, "holy days" were Xmas & News Years only. In my travels to Europe, and especially Italy, I found a lot of differences that I was accustomed to in the US. As far as your version of confession, I must have missed that part of Vatican II. I'm afraid every cleric I've encountered in the past, at least, wasn't quite that "trivial" about an "act of contrition" sufficing. Church attendance has been diminishing sadly, and I'm afraid that this "push" to return to latin services will only accelerate that trend. In any event, the church is no longer a semblance of the "Baltimore Catechism". Vatican II aftermath? Maybe.
#40 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rationalman. You forget. I think it was Voltaire who said, "if we didn't have religion, we should have to invent one." Control of society needs all the help it can get.
#41 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama wants to give more money to this?
http://europenews.dk/en/node/13092
#42 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ATTENTION THOSE WHO CARE!!!!
According to the local grocery stores, the following items are flying out of their stores: popcorn...wine/light beer...fresh air spray...and comfortable lounge chairs!
"Why?"
Because the Clinton's are well rested and can't wait to for the convention to start next week! People are getting ready for the "CONVENTION OF ALL CONVENTIONS".
The intrigue, confusion and deceit they will bring to Braco's downfall is the most anticipated event since laxatives were invented!
Oh the inhumanity, stench and injustice the Dems will have to endure next week is beyond comprehension!
What a great country!
#43 Posted by knital on August 21, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Funny thing about that "famous prison in Iraq". After all the dust settled the person who stood in front of the entire nation, Rumsfeld (sp?), and claimed responsibility was never touched by the legal system.
Instead a few low rank sacrifices were just trotted out and punished to appease the politically correct.
#44 Posted by Neal on August 21, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#55 Rejoice: Your laundry list of Republican "axioms of deceit and misinformation" needs to be "aired" out to dry.
1. Your Soetoro reference is ridiculous and inane and should be evident even to a GED graduate. No offense.
2. Obama is a symbol of progress in that a person from a minority, especially of color, can attain a position of running for the highest office in the land. That is the tradition that made the USA great. Opportunity for ALL!
3. His reference to changing "the greatest country on earth" refers to the last 8 years of GOP "insanity". We need to provide an example to the world, not schoolboy discipline.
4. Low taxes (for the rich) smaller govt. (don't get in the way of cartels and monopolies) all add up to the degenerate Republican "creed".
5. "Suffocating govt. regulation" Oh yeh! Let Merck sell any drugs at any price. Let business avoid safety and consumer protection for the sake of profit. Let individuals interpret the law for their best interests. That's the malignant concept and interpretation of "free enterprise" by the GOP. Greed is Good!
6.Marriage - Ah, what a "convenient" word for GOP bigots. Union (another nasty word for Republicans) would be a better description of the reality of personal relationships. Maybe Bush and the "nuts", like you, should put all gays in concentration camps for extermination or "re-indoctrination". Certainly you can "improve" on something that has been tried in the past. Also, think of all the new jobs that would be "created".
7. School - Education is a good place to start. There was this "Garden of Eden" and Adam & Eve, Aesop's Fables etc. I think everyone should learn about these theories and make their own decisions. I have.
8. Healthy babies. This should extend to "wet dream" advocates. "Save the child". You need to cover all bases and go all out. That sperm is alive!!!
9. Immigration - Ask the "flip-flopper" John McCain. He has all the GOP answers on this one. Take your pick.
10. Hard working Americans. The GOP knows those guys. Ask Phil Gramm and his hedge fund buddies. They will tell you all the "hard" thought that went into their labors.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
#45 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"We're delighted to have a real estate debate with Barack Obama," said spokesman Brian Rogers, adding that the press should focus on Obama's house. "It's a frickin' mansion. He doesn't tell people that. You have a mansion you bought in a shady deal with a convicted felon."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-...
#46 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gonefishin: Yeh, Obama's house doesn't compare to the "Budweiser tent" the McCains inhabit. I wonder if Keating, their "family friend" would agree?
#47 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer, you certainly go over the edge don't you. Typical.
One point, we also know Democrats that believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. Not opposed to civil unions. Man & man, woman & woman, man & child. Exactly where do you draw the line? Anything goes with you I guess. What great moral fiber.
#48 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, let Merck make their profits. They are saving lives, extending lives and developing new drugs. And yes, they'll make a profit.
#49 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's Obama's house. Note the adjoining lot. That's how Obama scammed the place with Rezko.
Rezko is now convicted of misusing his influence to corrupt two state boards, one that handled a $40 billion pension fund for most Illinois teachers and the other that vetted hospital projects.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/imag...
#50 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
Your point is well taken. When critics of Obama discuss issues and make arguments that are basicly "color blind", liberals blame those critics as racist without regard to the subject matter.
#51 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain was asked
"how many homes do you own?" he stuttered and said, ah, I DON'T KNOW...will have to get back to you on that? His campaign came back with 4, but then said he owns 7 homes!
"Mr.I know your economic painMcCain"
He was also delinquent on his taxes on several of his homes for several years!
HE WANTS TO RUN OUR COUNTRY?
He also did not know that Czechoslovakia does not exist anymore,
and TWICE while in Iraq gave extremely inflammatory and incorrect information about the Sunni's, shiites, AlQaeda and Iran,-- the second time, Liebermann corrected him on camera!
And the right wingers are talking about Baracks stepdads name when he was 9?
#52 Posted by opnmind on August 21, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Din naples,
on the evangelical debate, they asked which supreme court justice he thought was not very good, Barack mentioned Thomas.(as a constitutional scholar ,he is certainly entitled to his opinion.)
The next day on Rusty Humphrey radio show, they spent an hour calling Obama a racist for saying that. On and on ad naseum. I am sure it was the same on Rush and all the others. Disgusting.
So care to rethink: WHO plays the rascist card?
#53 Posted by opnmind on August 21, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I would say out of touch wouldn't you?"
I think it's safe to say that the politardism that infects this site is entirely non partisan.
#54 Posted by mthalo on August 21, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"And how many lives were saved? How many terrorist attacks failed to materialize"
Rejoice...#65.....8/21/08
and how many lives were lost because of the torture and redition of innocent people....how many Americans and allied troops were killed in Iraq and Afganistan because of the torture and unjust jailing of innocents in Guatamano..let go years later with no charges after being tortured
so Rejoice.....you would reduce yourself to the enemy "animal" behavior which would mean you are no better than they...while you advocate the ends justify the means
tell that to the ten French paratroopers killed a few days ago and the three Canadian soldiers killed today in Afganistan because they are there "carrying out the American agenda"
in retaliation of US torture two Canadian and one American aid worker were ambushed and killed last week in afganistan by the Taliban
so every action has its consequence which in this case other people have to pay
so you can sit in your easy chair and pontificate all you want about your macho leanings.......you are not paying the price!!
#55 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
opnmind,
I just do not know who Rusty Humphrey is or what was said. Nor do I think Obama is a racist. I myself believe Obama would not like Thomas because he is a strong conservative voice on the court. Sorry, I haven't heard those things said.
#56 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, "carrying out the American agenda" means?
#57 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples...I guess you will have to ask the Taliban for that answer:
Taliban letter to Canadians warns of more attacks
Updated Sun. Aug. 17 2008 7:55 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
The Taliban has sent an open letter urging Canadians to push Ottawa to leave Afghanistan or face more insurgent attacks, after two Canadian aid workers were killed.
The fundamentalist Islamic group has waged a violent campaign against NATO and Afghan forces since 2001 when the Taliban was ousted in a U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan.
In an open letter written on behalf of the "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan" and addressed to the "Canadian people," the Taliban says Canada should not have followed the "American" agenda and has "sacrificed" its self-respect.
The letter, purportedly written by Taliban spokesperson Qari Muhammad Yussef, says the Taliban is forced to kill Canadians because innocent Afghans are being killed.
"The Afghans did not go to Canada to kill the Canadians. Rather, it is the Canadians who came to Afghanistan to kill and torture the Afghan, to please the fascist regime of America," the letter said.
#58 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice: Sleeping with the dogs. Yeh, I can see you doing that. It's very appropriate. I appreciate you being an animal lover. They can accept your illogical being readily. They can't talk back.
Oh, that confederate "allegiance" seems to be surfacing with your comments on "opportunity". dagnabit! Wouldn't it been grand if Tara and Live Oaks would be operating today and we could have barbeques with Scarlett and the like? It's just not right that those Yankees have come down here and upset everything! Welcome to the 21st Century!
#59 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
Are you serious? You now speak for the Taliban?
#60 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Looks like Rejoice pretty well hogs this blog. It wouldn't be so bad if he had something worthwhile to say. Instead he's still fixated on Obama's stepdad's name, Soetoro. Well, Rejoice, listen carefully, since you think this is of such earthshattering importance.
Many women take the last name of their not only their first but their second husband. With their taking that last name, often the children are included, hence Barack was given for a short while the name of his stepfather. His stepsister, Obama's mother's child with her second husband is still named Soetoro. However, when his mother divorced his step father, Barack took back his birth father's name, Obama. Wow. Now that's really intrigue and pretty scarey.
The reason Barack never mentioned it is because it is of no importance and so trivial, and probably only you, Rejoice, are hung up on his name. And if that's you're biggest problem, you have none.
BTW have you seen a pyshiatric lately? You really should.
#61 Posted by truthmatters on August 21, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples: Surely you can do better than your feeble response regarding gays. How would you deal with them? How about that "re-oreintation" or worse proposal? What's your "enlightened" solution? Maybe Merck can come up with a "pill" to solve the problem. Are they working on one? Surely you would accept that as a GOP/Conservative remedy. I'm waiting for your learned response.
#62 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, the US blew it repeatedly over the years in Afghanistan.
First, once the Soviets were defeated, we stopped helping them. We didn't even help remove land mines, let alone build schools, etc.
Then, we allowed the Taliban to string us along about the pipeline, though it was doubtful they would have allowed the US to control it.
In 1997, when the Northern Alliance nearly had the Taliban defeated, Clinton called for a cease fire and an arms embargo. During that time, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia re-armed the Taliban.
Then, we sent cruise missiles to get bin Laden, killing innocent Afghans, which kinda ticked them off.
Apparently, we had credible information about bin Laden's Afghan location in 1999, but did nothing.
And for all of you "war for oil" parrots, don't forget that there a little pipeline just waiting to be built in Afghanistan.
#63 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples...what are YOU smoking....you asked a question ...I publish the site where the phrase comes from and you accuse me of "speaking for the Taliban"?????
you are either absolutely nuts or you have made a very feeble attempt to twist and turn words around to your narrow way of thinking......
....or....
you enjoyed too much of that waterboarding you think is not torture and it scrambled what little you have upstairs
#100 is a real pathetic post which only shows your incompetence in discussing world affairs
#64 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm curious. How many of you Right Wingers watched CNN's presentation of McCain's and Obama's background? I know it wasn't on Fox and maybe Rush and Hannity told you not to, but maybe if you wanted to learn something you might have watched.
I found it quite balanced and gave the positives and the negatives of both.
I did learn that McCain makes up his mind quickly and is stubborn. I call it rash. He does admit that he was not a good student at the academy and overlooked learning many things he was supposed to learn.
I do find it interesting that someone 4th from the bottom of a class of about 480 some students is considered bright enough to run for president.
But, not only is McCain not bright, he's hard headed and does what he wants.
I found it interesting that he lied to Cindy about his age and his marriage situation. What it also showed is that without Cindy's father's money and influence, he would have had virtually no chance to become Senator of Arizona when he did.
It told a good deal about Obama and his childhood and his rise to the place he is.
He is very bright, but he also has great ambition. It could be in his genes as his birth father was a leader in Kenya.
At, any rate, it is pretty phenominal that a black man (1/2 black anyway) could reach the status he has at his age and with no powerful backing or big pockets.
My greatest fear with McCain is his rash and not well thought out approach to foreign policy. It is contrary to what he said after he had been a prisoner of war and saw what soldiers face. He said sending our soldiers to war should be the last resort.
Unfortunately, he no longer believes that because now it seems it's his first resort.
#65 Posted by truthmatters on August 21, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, Dinaples, Gonfishin and all other GOP disciples. DUNG! You guys sure recognize that and it appears that you all think that yours doesn't stink! Well, the fact is that your bigotry is more apparent than ever. You are scared to use the word racism in its true context as it applies to your subliminal comments that reveal your fears of being led by a black man. He could walk on water and you would say it was a mirage. Your fanatical charges on this website illustrate only one thing, your prejudice, ignorance and bias. I don't know where it will end up in November, but I do know one thing. Evil exists, and you epitomize it.
#66 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice....re-read the two posts very slowly....perhaps it might be better for you if sound the words when reading ..it might help you understand
or maybe you missed the meaning like you missed the torture....everywhere
why would you make such stupid statements as:
"Canada should let the Taliban dictate their soverign foreign policy concerning national security matters.
No wonder Muslims are flocking to Canada in droves."
why would you make such an asine statement regarding the Taliban who our forces with other NATO forces are fighting every day
show me your source where "Muslims are flocking to Canada in droves"
don't make such statements as fact without your back up as it only shows you to be a ignorant
get out of your narrow blindness and find out what is going on in the rest of the world instead of worrying about someone's name!!
#67 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here it is, the new McCain ad about Ayers:
http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/08/2...
#68 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truthmatters, There are others that are in need of a psychiatrist besides Rejoice. Did you see Rejoices's post #76 where he said his dog peed on Obamas yard sign? Do you think any rational person believes dogs know who Obama is?
Poor Rejoice. He's really gone off the deep end. Some of these Obama haters are desperate to vilify him. Using a dog to prove Obama shouldn't be president, is insanity.
#69 Posted by rationalman on August 21, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, don't be such a fool. Your post #89
"tell that to the ten French paratroopers killed a few days ago and the three Canadian soldiers killed today in Afganistan because they are there "carrying out the American agenda"
in retaliation of US torture two Canadian and one American aid worker were ambushed and killed last week in afganistan by the Taliban"
I asked what American agenda. Post #92, you quote:
"In an open letter written on behalf of the "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan" and addressed to the "Canadian people," the Taliban says Canada should not have followed the "American" agenda and has "sacrificed" its self-respect."
If that's not speaking for the Taliban what is it? Talk about incompetence!
#70 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Advice to all ultra conservative, right wing, social conservatives and evangelicals who have made it their life's mission to bring truth, justice and the "American Way" into the lives of everyone; like it or not.
Your days of domination are nearly at an end. It will take a great deal of work to rebuild America given the devastation it has suffered in the past 7.5 years but liberal thinkers will delight in the opportunity to do so.
Say goodby to elephant man Rush, Linda Abbott, Tom Macchia, Rejoice and his fellow klan's men. My advice, shut up and pay up.
#71 Posted by warrenfire on August 21, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer, My comment stands and needs no further response. The question to you is still open, where do you draw the line? Anything goes? Great moral standing. No answer other than an attempt at ridicule. I have no problems with gays, only gay marriage. Why can't you idiots understand that?
#72 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 5:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Did anyone find anything false in that commercial?
#73 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, your suggestion that eddie getting a sense of humor will not result in any action on his part.
#74 Posted by GoneFishin on August 21, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice" The stereotype "all purpose GOP excuse" it was 9/11 doesn't "carry water". You need to get a new "act" with some substance. It's futile to accept a tragedy as an excuse not to seek a solution or remedy. You are truly burying your head in the sand.
#75 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why should two men or two women who love each other be such a threat to conservatives? They won't bother you if you don't bother them. Any two people who are in love should be allowed to get married if they aren't insane or related. I don't understand why conservatives are so threatened by Gay marriage.
#76 Posted by rationalman on August 21, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer, I for one do not appreciate your calling me a racist, bigot, etc. Please tell me why? Because I would not support Obama. I didn't support Kerry, what does that make me? Or is it that I don't agree with you and your idiotic name calling? Do not make baseless charges. Another fool, name calling when he cannot back up his crap.
#77 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dinaples: Sorry, but you need to address the difference between de facto and de jure. The latter may suit your purposes and beliefs, but the former is reality. Trying on your part to deal with that reality doesn't confirm the de jure stance. This is a free country and you either accept those around you who seek the same pursuit of happiness as you do, or you establish impediments to their desires. It seems you don't want to define the latter. Why not? Does it make you uncomfortable, and perhaps, susceptible to similar treatment? C'mon, you can reveal your true "inner" feelings for us. We will listen and consider them.
#78 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#29 “His love would never deny the unbaptized babies their place in heaven”
Whaaaat?
So now the Holy Father IS God himself?
So he either refused or accepts the place of babies of heaven.
Wow, I need to be saved: Holy Jesus, this man must be a saint, nay God Himself, please forgive me for I have sinned and may Jesus have died not in vain.
OMG, who the &*#@! Do you think you are?
#38 “it amazes me that non-believers are so afraid of religion”
Whaaaat?
Who is a non-believer?
Is this now the Canadian inquisition?
What planet are you from?
Non-believers?
Trust me on this point, if you get any, this is a biggy
Should that dumb arse start handing out bibles again in the schools down in Co County, I will consider it a great obligation to join him and contribute to the ‘education’ of the kiddies and hand out the Qur’an
“then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, which is prepared for those who reject Faith.”
Bring it aaaaawwwn!!!!!!!!!!
Save me Jesssssuus
#79 Posted by hesaves on August 21, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer, I must admit I don't know what the heck you are trying to say or the point you are trying to make. Reminds me of the old statement, something like, if you can't win the argument dazzle em with bull. This is indeed a free country. You may wish to establish impediments as you call them, not I. This is also a country with moral standards, some maintain lower standards, some higher. It seems we both know where we stand.
#80 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Feel free to jump all over me. I'll not be able to respond, leaving on a business trip.
#81 Posted by DinNaples on August 21, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice ...you asked for the meaning and I posted the site and said you would have to ask the Taliban
now read it slowly:
the Taliban says Canada should not have followed the "American" agenda and has "sacrificed" its self-respect."
#82 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh yes the Christian Taliban, no different to the Muslim Taliban
Both are radical terrorist organizations
Oh Lord
Save me Jesus, for I've just sinned once again
#83 Posted by hesaves on August 21, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice, I think Rational man would laugh if you said something funny, but your sense of humor is so warped, it's hard to find anything humorous in it.
Also, Rejoice, does it make you feel smart to call Obama by his stepfather's name? Are you that Kooky and stubborn? For God's sake, get over it.
God, and you have the right to vote. I guess there are no requirements as to sanity and intelligence. No wonder we have a Constitution and a Republic.
Now I'm done with you and your goofy fixation on a name that isn't Obama's.
#84 Posted by truthmatters on August 21, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hesaves........your posts to date are the most dis-jointed I have ever seen.....they make absolutely no sense whatsoever
know a little about the subject before you show your ignorance
guessing game will now be who were you before you joined on 8/17.....were you kicked off with another name???
heretic comes to mind
#85 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
that was his name before heretic...G_D...remember???......the make up of their posts never changes and are so easy to identify
#86 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
that was his name before heretic....G_D....if you remember.......the make up of their pitiful posts are easily identified
#87 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OOPS.....#145 disappeared into cyberspace and did not show here until I repeated with #146
#88 Posted by Canuck on August 21, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
REjoice, If Obama wins in November, blame it on 9/11. That always works for Republicans.
#89 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 21, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Umleed and fishing,
The 60's must have been one hell of a good time for you all, as you keep wanting to relive it!
Let's go back and look at the Keating five. McCain dealt extensively with them, and his wife did deals with them. Keatings motive was greed and personal gain.
Ayers was trying to end the Vietnam war, right or wrong, his motive was to stop our government from fighting an unjust and wrong war. Sound familiar? 1960's: Millions marched, committed civil disobedience and several carried it way too far. He was one of them. 40 years later, Obama and he work at the same university and were on the some not-for- profit boards. Motive? Greed? or social work to help people?
Over zealous 60's war protester reformed and now doing social work,
vs
greedy money grubbing taxpayer thief doing time.
#90 Posted by opnmind on August 21, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why cannot responses to individual letters appear indented and just below the letters they answer?
It would make it immeasurably easier to follow the train of argument.
#91 Posted by oniontown on August 21, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, warrenfire, giving odds? I'll take some of your action. Just, please, don't be a welcher.
#92 Posted by almasonlybar on August 21, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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