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UPDATE: Gustav remains on track into the Gulf

The 2 p.m., Aug. 27, forecast track of Tropical Storm Gustav.

The 2 p.m., Aug. 27, forecast track of Tropical Storm Gustav.

— The slow-moving tropical storm named Gustav continues on its track to the Gulf of Mexico at 2 p.m. today, changing little from the 11 a.m. update by federal authorities.

At the 11 a.m. update from the National Hurricane Center, forecasters put the "cone of probability" closer to Southwest Florida and in several recent updates.

The storm is still forecast to become a hurricane again by the time it reaches the Gulf, packing winds over 115 mph. Gustav stalled in the Caribbean early Wednesday a day after hitting Haiti as a hurricane. But the National Hurricane Center in Miami said the storm could regain hurricane strength later in the day or on Thursday once it moves away from Haiti.

The storm's slow movement means a ridge of high pressure over Florida might evolve to the point that the storm could turn more toward Florida in coming days.

Jamaica issued a tropical storm warning Wednesday and also remained under a hurricane watch along with the Cayman Islands. A watch means hurricane conditions are possible within 36 hours.

A hurricane warning was in effect for parts of Cuba including the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay. A warning means hurricane conditions are expected within 24 hours.

As a hurricane, Gustav caused a killer landslide and dumped torrential rains on southern Haiti on Tuesday before weakening to a tropical storm.

Rising water threatened Haiti's crops amid protests over high food prices, and oil prices rose on fears the storm could batter oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico.

The storm lingered into the night over Haiti's poor, deforested southern peninsula, and water levels were rising in banana, bean and vegetable fields. One man was killed in a landslide in the mountain town of Benet, civil protection director Marie Alta Jean-Baptiste told Radio Metropole.

Cars pushed through standing water in the streets of Port-au-Prince, as fallen trees and landslides blocked a major road out of the capital.

Hundreds of people in coastal Les Cayes ignored government warnings to seek shelter, instead throwing rocks to protest the high cost of living in the Western Hemisphere's poorest country. Witnesses said U.N. peacekeepers used tear gas to disperse the crowd.

Haiti is a tinderbox because of soaring food prices, which in April led to deadly protests and the ouster of the nation's prime minister. It was difficult to ascertain the extent of the damage from the hurricane to the nation's crops on Tuesday because of Haiti's poor infrastructure and faulty communications.

"If the rain continues, we'll be flooded," U.N. food consultant Jean Gardy said Tuesday from the southeastern town of Marigot.

Forecasters said Gustav could become a Category 2 hurricane with winds topping 96 mph (154 kph) Thursday as it moves between Cuba and Jamaica.

After Haiti, a strengthening Gustav was projected to sideswipe Cuba's southern coastline all week before entering the central gulf on Sunday.

Forecasters were reluctant to predict the storm's path beyond the weekend, the third anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

Thunderstorms associated with Gustav were already bringing downpours to some parts of eastern Cuba late Tuesday night. In Houlgin province, communist officials evacuated residents from low-lying areas and set up shelters and emergency food distribution centers in schools and municipal buildings.

Forecasters said the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would be spared a direct hit. Base spokesman Bruce Lloyd said the base was preparing for emergencies in any case.

A powerful storm in the Gulf of Mexico could force shutdowns on the offshore rigs that account for a quarter of U.S. crude production and much of its natural gas. Royal Dutch Shell PLC said it could begin evacuating workers as soon as Wednesday.

The price of light, sweet crude for October delivery ended Tuesday up US$1.16 to settle at US$116.27 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange after the forecasters said Gustav could enter the gulf as a major hurricane this weekend.

If the storm continues on its path, it could drive up U.S. gasoline prices by 10 cents a gallon ahead of Labor Day weekend, predicted James Cordier, president of Tampa, Florida-based Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com.

Gustav roared ashore on Haiti on Tuesday afternoon near the city of Jacmel with top sustained winds near 90 mph (145 kph). Heavy rains pelted the area as winds bent palm trees and kicked up surf along waterfronts of dilapidated wooden buildings.

Stranded travelers mobbed the American Airlines counter at the airport after the airline canceled all flights.

"I knew it was coming, but I was hoping to be out before it came," said Jody Stoltzfus, a 27-year-old missionary who had planned a visit home to Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

In Cuba, Fidel Castro issued an essay that mentioned the hurricane, saying Cuba's government "guarantees no one will be forgotten."

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In addition to Hurricane Gustav, two other tropical systems are being monitored in the Atlantic Ocean, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

National Hurricane Center

In addition to Hurricane Gustav, two other tropical systems are being monitored in the Atlantic Ocean, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

Besides Gustav, two other tropical systems on horizon

In addition to Hurricane Gustav, two other tropical systems are being monitored in the Atlantic Ocean, according to the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

Here is Hurricane Center information on the other two systems, listed west to east according to the map at left:

• A broad area of low pressure centered several hundred miles northeast of the northern Leeward Islands is producing disorganized showers abd thunderstorms. Upper-level winds are forecast to gradually become more conducive for development of this system during the next couple of days as it slowly moves northwestward.

• A large tropical wave located over the far eastern Atlantic several hundred miles west-southwest of the Cape Verde Islands is producing limited and disorganized shower and thunderstorm activity. This system has potential for slow development during the next couple of days as it moves generally westward at 10 to 15 mph.

Associated Press writers Mike Melia and Andrew O. Selsky in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.

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Maybe this one will be a Lucky 7 for FL and LEAVE US ALONE.

#1 Posted by beetlejuice on August 25, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that if this one does not come directly at us (I PRAY) we may still get additional rain, are they going to let the standing water now flooding everywhere out?

#2 Posted by d5stealth on August 25, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where is there standing water?
Not in subdivisions that have a central sewer system.

#3 Posted by nightranger on August 25, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who's going to have the hurricane party?

#4 Posted by babsmn on August 25, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We need the rain.

#5 Posted by Neal on August 25, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No time to panic.....RUN!

#6 Posted by mangy_coon on August 25, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, if this does come it doesn't look like a direct hit, more like a side blow <no pun intended> We sure don't need any more rain. What I don't understand is why is there so much stagnant water ?? Its not like Collier hasn't had storms before. I know out in GG Estates, the canals aren't flowing......why aren't the weirs open ?? I am lucky, I am dry. But I know many that have 2' water in their yards and its really starting to stink and casue hazards.

#7 Posted by Nplschick on August 25, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll host the hurricane party..

#8 Posted by FedUp on August 25, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nplschick i live in the estates and our "moat" around our house is just starting to go down and its SMELLS really bad!! of course now the mosquitoes are starting to come out also which is no fun! anyways i noticed also it doesnt look like any of the canals are flowing or going down!

#9 Posted by bubs1980 on August 25, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been out to Picayune State Forest, and the canals are flowing just fine out there. The weirs that i see, the water is just flowing right over them. I guess it would take some time before we see anything moving in the canals north of 75.

#10 Posted by Pigsaw on August 25, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The lake we have in our yard is just looking disgusting now, and stinking. And talk about mosquitos! Don't we have mosquito control anymore?

#11 Posted by fearisfailure on August 25, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The storm has a name now: Gustav

Should it come our way with a lot more rain; expect more localized flooding where the ground is too saturated to absorb any more water.

bubs1980, so those things are mosquitoes? I thought they were nasty low flying aircraft. They are huge suckers (and I do mean this as in describing what they are doing to our blood!)

I started wearing the patch to repel them that I usually use for deep woods activities in State Parks (they cannot spray in these parks).

Good observation Pigsaw. Hope we get caught up before any more significant rain affects this area! Our street and area is high and dry, but there will be a point when we will see too much rain and sheet flow will catch up.

#12 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The newly formed lakes around my house have not hardly dropped since lase week. In fact it's been raining hard here for about an hour right now. If it keeps this up it might be fall before this place drys out.

I guess they were correct when they said it would be an active year.

The shutters and generator are standing by and ready for service. Let "r" rip.

#13 Posted by swfl_ff on August 25, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another storm? There goes my liver completely!!!!

#14 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTV - what patch is that? Not heard of that before - does it work?

#15 Posted by fearisfailure on August 25, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll get Cantore's roost on Cape Romano ready!!!

#16 Posted by swflsucks on August 25, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nplschick: the storm is a week away and you're predicting a side-blow, hmmmmm

#17 Posted by trehuger on August 25, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yes they are mosquitoes even though your calling them low lying air craft would be closer to correct! and i am not complaining about them or the canals, i was just stating what i was observing, that it didnt look that they were moving at all, but thanks to someone else letting me know, i guess it just takes time for them to get out to my "swamp" lol. and if it keeps raining, i am buying paddle boat to get to work in!! i already warned the boss to watch for me in my rubber boots!

#18 Posted by bubs1980 on August 25, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about the poor coyotes?!

#19 Posted by almasonlybar on August 25, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I HOPE ITS A CAT 5

WE NEED THE ECONOMY BOOST AND THE INSURANCE MONEY

#20 Posted by Chenzo on August 25, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chenzo...that isn't funny at all. Wilma was a 3 and that was bad enough.
Oh yes, get your insurance $ and they'll take it all back next year in higher rates.

#21 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chenzo its a shame you didnt move to New Orleans right before Katrina struck if you feel that way.

#22 Posted by fearisfailure on August 25, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

#31 & 32

if you have a better idea for IMMEDIATE economic simulation then i'm all ears and would love to hear what you have to say but if not then,,,,,SHUTTY

i know of many self employed people that are praying for devistation so they can pay their mortgage and eat

it sucks but it is what it is

#23 Posted by Chenzo on August 25, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eaglebeak, save your liver! Turn around, don't drown (float maybe). LOL

Re: #22...fearisfailure: I use "OmeZone" insect repellent patch. It does work for me. Each patch contains 75 mg of Thiamine (vitamin B1). You are supposed to put it on 2 hours before you expect to be swarmed and it lasts up to 36 hours. Leaving it on for 24 hours is recommended.

I also carry one of those clip on small containers of the alternative to DEET just in case the really big ones haven't read the patches' label, LOL, but have yet had to use it.

I get the patches at feed stores or outdoor stores (kayaking, fishing).

I am also not complaining about "living in a drained swamp" but will be happy when Mosquito Control starts to reduce the numbers of these insects with the potential of carrying significant disease. Now, I am NOT an entomologist so perhaps the variety which look like they have been taking steroids are not the dangerous ones, but they are very hungry.

Ever think BignRich the debris could be from flooded yard in GG City. Yes people do toss garbage inappropriately, but I have observed more than one of the Country Club set tossing junk and cigarettes out their windows as they speed by in the Lexus or Beamer.

#24 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTV if those patches work, i am going to have to stock up on them as it looks like the mosquitoes are not going anywhere and they are multiplying quickly!! what is the cost of the patch?

#25 Posted by bubs1980 on August 25, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Flooded "yard"...nope, yards.

Missing s's please return home, you are missed. Oh some are back!

Chenzo perhaps you should start looking for the missing 's' es.

A big blow could hurt the economy NOT help it.

#26 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chezno...Charley didn't help Charlotte Co. at all.
You'd think all that re-building and repair work would keep people busy. Insurance companies didn't pay immediately, and the homeowners couldn't afford to pay up front and wait on the ins. co.
Some people are still waiting.....and waiting....

#27 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

None of the computer models on wunderground.com have it coming towards us.

#28 Posted by emmylopez on August 25, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was about to make the same comment on the "spaghetti" map of wunderground.com, but then there's plenty of time for those projections to be adjusted toward or away from us.

So far it seems like Gustav here is evolving faster than Fay. I still have a couple windows I hadn't yet uncovered...I may leave them up for now.

#29 Posted by pauls on August 25, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ugh.....those 'Kraken' legs (wunderground)remind me too much of Wilma....

#30 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, let me try and figure this out. If Florida is at sea level, and there is serious flooding, I don't care what you open, where is all the water going? Standing smelly water, garbage floating every where, plugged sewers, makes one wonder why we live here. Wait till we get the next insurance bill, that is if all the companies don't bail out of the state.

#31 Posted by cit10driver on August 25, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I lived on Logan from 1989-1993. Forget it. Well water, septic tanks, and a flooded yard whenever it rained for days. Not very desirable. I moved into a sudivision that has a sewer system and central water and from 1994 - 2008 I have never seen standing water. The answer is simple. Move into a subdivision with Central Sewer if you don't want to live where it floods. Canals and open ditches don't cut it.

#32 Posted by nightranger on August 25, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bags are packed..wish my house would sell..will miss my wonderful friends but not the Hurricanes, humidity, mosquitos, lightning strikes and illegals

#33 Posted by prometheus on August 25, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

chenzo U R A SICKO...

U don't even know what U R wishing for.

THAT's IT....I'm an OFFICIAL STORM HATER.

If one more inch of rain dares try to enter my back doors of my house I will scream so loud, you will hear me on this website.

Just kidding...but this rain stinks!

#34 Posted by beetlejuice on August 25, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somebody must've been standing on Chenzos' air hose; only a brain-dead moron would wish for such a catastrophe. Chenzo has never experianced any kind of hurricane and obviously doesn't own property or anything of value, including a family, or such a thought would never have crossed what passes for his/her mind. Whoever is minding Chenzo's meds needs to quit hitting the sauce and pay attention; Chenzo's voices are leaking onto the web and I think the locks on the rubber room need to be checked!

#35 Posted by jbcatfarmer on August 25, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Cabbagepalm, with your inability to construct a proper sentence, or even spell, it's obvious why the North beat the South. I think it's your brain that's flooded.

#36 Posted by cit10driver on August 25, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok here's how you do it:

Kneel on the floor and lean back onto your heels. If you lack in elasticity, try placing a blanket or pillow under your buttocks and heels. But if you are able to, relax in the asana, try to stretch your thighs. Keep the hands on the knees. The spine should also be erect in this relaxing yoga pose. Take deep, even breaths and try and keep your mind free of thoughts and issues filling it.

Now lets all say "ohhmmmmm".

#37 Posted by Elle on August 25, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chenzo once again reinforcing the fact that he is 100% pure moron.

#38 Posted by indigodragonfly on August 25, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cabbagepalm, amen to your comment #56.

Cit10driver: Why not relax a bit. Finding fault with people's sentence structure seems rather lame to me. This is not someone's doctoral thesis. Blogs are blogs, quick responses to comments and comments on comments and even comments on the responses to the comments on comments in real time without the benefit of MS Word's inbuilt grammar corrective macros or, for most, not even spell check.

While it is great when someone is able to hit the mark 100% of the time, few can reach this goal.

I wrote a doctoral thesis and it did not contain errors. I know that my postings do not live up to this standard, So why not just roll with the comments and not get too critical. That being said, once in a while spelling takes a very creative turn and meaning is lost because the word as posted bears no resemblance to what the individual was trying to say. Sometimes the meaning can be exacted via context.

Ommmmmm...ommmm

Thanks Elle.

#39 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi indi. Ready for another blog record attempt? LOL. I must admit you all got going way beyond what I expected. JYD and I may have to start a men's section on this one.

bubs1980, the last ones I bought came in a two pack for 5 bucks. They do last almost 36 hours for me. The hardest part is not taking a shower for 24 hours. Actually I do shower, but I just take off the patch and put it back on.

I was out at dusk tonight. The dinner bell rang for the ladies (female mosquitoes) but they weren't hungry when they stopped at my exposed skin for a full course meal. They hovered and seemed confused as they approached and then backed off. I enjoy this response a lot. One didn't know any better and took a drink right out of a vein in my hand before I saw her bloat out. But one bite is better than the dozens I would expect normally.

#40 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nightranger: glad you are happy to have escaped to "civilization". Like others who live in GGE we are equally happy to live where we do.

Please remember that mosquitoes breed in any standing water. They breed in storm water detention ponds (what developers/real estate agents sell as "lakes"), they breed in birdbaths, bromeliads, catch basins, plant saucers and even in wet grasses. Much of Collier County does have the benefit of mosquito control (not eradication, but control.)

As your utility bills, HOA/CDD fees increase, we have the benefit of having our own amenities without Board meetings, quorums, and difficulties caused by some residents who defy or try to defy the rules. Again, you are happy. I am happy you are happy. I am happy too. It is a happy day in our neighborhoods.

I have lived in a gated community and did not find what you like about it to my liking. (This is) a good thing, because you would probably not like me much in person as I am short, hairy and my tongue is blue. *

* Another blogger on another blog describing me as the rodent I am...

Good night. Hope Emmy is right and Weatherunderground does not think we are a target for Gustav.

#41 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dang thing is almost a hurricane already tonight!!!!!

Time for bed.

#42 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 25, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And here we go again... the prices of paradise.

Well, as of now the NHC has Gustav becoming a hurricane by 8AM.

I don't mind the modifications to my swimming pool and all, but I liked it better without all of the grass crap floating around in it.

#43 Posted by Spetsnaz on August 26, 2008 at 2:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey BTV, he IS a hurricane...(thankfully so far shifted away from us, but we all know about that "cone").
Saw your comment on the other blog, hope the coffee didn't keep you up too late.
I think we do need to keep an eye out for Gustav, dang it, and he's of German heritage too. Oh well...Have a good day, but keep an eye out for Gustav...

#44 Posted by mothernature on August 26, 2008 at 5:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you know say what you want but we were hit with a very weak Cat 2 Wilma and there was quite a bit of damage, even when Fay came through as a TS, we still has major floods all over Florida. That being said, I don't listen to the weather people...I go by the weather, steering current, SST, land masses, etc...
Mock all you want but, this storm is going to kill people, somewhere.

#45 Posted by NeezDutz on August 26, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, Take it easy everyone, this storm is a long way off, and as of right now it isn't comming this way. Suggestion for a great weather board is www.storm2k.org
Everyone should of course keep an eye on it, and the NHC has updates every 3 hours. Take a deep breath, sit back, relax and watch.

#46 Posted by cbsouthern on August 26, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree NeeDutz. This storm is going to be bad for someone. So far all the forcast models take it away from us but only time will tell.

As of the 5AM notice they are predicting a Cat 3 hurricane in the Gulf well southwest of us. If this hold up then any where between Texas and the Florida pandhandle could be in this things path.

I don't pay too much attention to the local forcasters myself anymore as they tend to overdue it. I follow the Weather Channel and read Wunderground.com. Wunderground has a very informative tropical weather page with a great deal of information without all the hype.

Let's all remember that even if it avoids us some other area will have to suffer the rath of this storm.

#47 Posted by swfl_ff on August 26, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sixwhitehorses ask Marco Island if there was no damage, ask my dad about his house in the City of Naples, ask my father-in-law about his house...my shed blew into my neighbors yard, ask the people in Golden Gate that were hit by tornadoes.
my mistake about the cat of Wilma

#48 Posted by NeezDutz on August 26, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

swfl_ff: The local forecasters have gotten better. NBC-2 is even showing the spaghetti models and WINK discusses upper level wind and the effects of various highs.

I like the NWS/hurricane center discussions best. They explain briefly how they arrive at the forecast. Sometimes even saying the models vary widely.

The experimental graphic now shows other systems as they emerge as areas to watch. Right now, besides Gustav, there are 3 others. One is noted to have a low potential for development and the two others have medium potentials.

Weatherunderground is excellent, too.

Perhaps sixwhitehorses copes better with the possibility of storms by just "living in the moment". Elevated risk sometimes causes people to minimize it as their way to cope. This mechanism works that way with diseases so maybe with weather too.

#49 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Re: #74 cbsouthern: Thanks for this link. I had it bookmarked last season, but my computer died and I didn't have websites archived. I remember it being a very good site with a lot of science based information.

Going there now.

#50 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let us pray...
Sweet Mary full of Grace
Help Gustav build his pace
To a place
Out of our face
Amen.

#51 Posted by Naplestango on August 26, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTV
I have had great luck with Avon Skin-So-Soft as a non toxic mosquito repellant.
I don't think it works for everyone tho'.
Another storm will blow the new mosquito crop out of here 'til the next hatch.

I haven't looked today, but last night on Weather Underground, the Historical chart for Hurricanes matching Gustav's timing, position etc. showed all but one missing us, the one that was different was Charlie..

#52 Posted by greathornedlizard on August 26, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to back you up on the Skin So Soft thing GHL. It does work wonders with the mosquitos. I have mine at the ready as the swamp I live in is lousy with the little buggers right now.

BTV I too like to read the NHC discussions on their site. They do explain how they arrive at their forcasts and at times they will even admit that they don't have great confidence in a particular forcast if there are a lot of variables involved.

Of the local TV forcasters I have found that WINK tends to be the more accurate and less dramatic in their presentation. In fact there weather man felt even the day before Fay arrived that there was a good possibility that it would make landfall east of Marco. Darn if he wasn't right.

Of the different computer forecast models the GFDL model tends to be the most accurate by far. It too predicted Fay to make landfall to the east of Naples. Even the NCH and the other hurricane watchers will state that they tend to follow that model the most. Currently that model has Gustav heading toward New Orleans.

Only 30 minutes to the 11AM advisory!

#53 Posted by swfl_ff on August 26, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sixwhitehorses,

Glad to hear you didn't have any damage in Naples. I'll let you in on something maybe you didn't hear about, living in your own little world...

My parents who live west of 951 in G.G.E. had to have their entire roof replaced due to such widespread damage. Their skylights had to be replaced. With 2.8 acres of pines, their yard was not only full of water but it looked like a war zone with all the trees down.

Here in G.G.City, multiple neighbors had to have roofs replaced, one had a tree come down through their living room. I lost a 30 yr old avocado tree that was so big when I stood behind the roots I couldn't even be seen.

I personally had no other damage, and maybe that should've been YOUR comment. I know MANY people with alot of damage from Wilma.

As for Gustav, someone needs to worry. Wunderground has one model headed straight for New Orleans as of 8am. Everyone remember Katrina?
I have family in South Louisiana, MS, AL coastlines and coastal TX. Some of them lost everything in Katrina.

Chenzo, you really need a wake up call. A devastating event is NOT needed to boost economy.
I was in Arcadia after Charlie. I was up in MS after Katrina went through. MY sister had damage all the way up to Jacksom, MS.

I have seen the damage in person and had family lose everything from these storms. Even if we are spared, someone will not be. Good for us, means bad for someone else. Show some compassion please.

#54 Posted by mikesgirl on August 26, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTV,

Do you know right off the top of your head if we can get sandbags right now? My Moms' house has a lot of water and with it continuing to rain everyday, her yard is a lake. She has a small house out back that the water is threatening to enter, we may need to sandbag. You certainly seem to know a little (or alot) about everything, I thought you might know who to call.

Have to run out for work and errands. Back in a bit. I checked one of Colliers' sites and couldn't find how to get them.

Ever notice how when there's a smart guy around everyone else would rather use his noodle than their own?? Yep. Thanks BTV, I know you're a great multitasker!

#55 Posted by mikesgirl on August 26, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gustav should be deported!

#56 Posted by factteller1 on August 26, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sixwhitehorses, no damage in Naples from Wilma huh? Maybe you should've driven thru downtown or Crayton, get out from under your rock

#57 Posted by trehuger on August 26, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hey i actually heard the planes last night spraying for the mosqitoes yet this morning my front door was still covered with them waiting for breakfast (that would be me as i run to the truck)!! maybe it was just big mosquitos i heard flying over and not the planes!!!

#58 Posted by bubs1980 on August 26, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i always hear them. i am a very lite sleeper! i remember the fogger trucks, why dont they have those anymore?? i would think it would be more effective!!

#59 Posted by bubs1980 on August 26, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey sixwhitehorses: "turn what over"????
Where you here with Charley? The combined team of ABC-7 and NBC-2 were spot on with what happened and the rest of the forecasters were wrong. The local guys were also good with Fay, especially WINK.

I turn nothing over. I just believe in being prepared for the worst and always hope for the best. It is a good survival strategy. I don't feel "stressed" by storms. I don't have an emotional reaction to a weather event.

My home is well stocked and well protected. Trees may fall and the water may rise but I am well above ground and in a hardened structure. Not hurricane proof, but resistant. Now if a tornado hit square on I am sure there would be damage even if it was a small one.

What makes you think I need to go to the store before any particular event? I am stocked for a season. I can go about 2 months without adding supplies. When hurricane season is over, I donate a lot of the more perishable goods to food banks and we eat some, too. (The canned goods with expiration dates which are still good but getting within 3 months of best use.) MREs last much longer and aren't too bad now. Lots of choices and even ice cream for desert.

#60 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mikesgirl, unfortunately, Collier County does not supply sand bags. I thought this odd, but even when Commissioner Fiala wondered about this kind of protection for some of her constituents in low lying areas she was advised that the county does not supply the bags.

The Army Corps has a good illustrated webpage (available as a PDF) which shows how to to fill and use sandbags to protect an area.

http://www.nww.usace.army.mil/html/of...

I am not sure if you can find bags (now plastic) and sand enough to make them from another source. However, when I lived in another area of Florida which had run out of sandbags the suggestion was to buy big bags of potting soil to shore up to doors and sliders with a waterproof tarp under them. I know this was effective for one of my friends who lived in a flood prone area.

Hope this helps some. Repurposing this soil now can give you a nice supply for future plantings. I believe our friends even got some bags of fine gravel to add to the reinforcement. They did NOT lean the bags directly on the glass of the sliders because they did not want to put too much pressure on the glass.

Gustav may well miss us. I hope so, I have some projects planned for the three day weekend!

#61 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The storm is too far away for an accurate prediction. If upper level highs and lows shift in the next few days, they will shift the path of the storm. Keep watching the updates and don't panic just yet.

#62 Posted by cgbexec on August 26, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

redrover, yep, ice cream, but not yet available in mint chocolate chip, just vanilla, chocolate and neapolitan.

#63 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh ice cream? i know whos house i am going to!

#64 Posted by bubs1980 on August 26, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately when they spray for mosquitoes they are spraying for the eggs and larvae, not the adults.

If you have extremely high water levels they may be eggs from years ago. I have read that in some cases the eggs can keep for quite a while without water.

They have to be careful where they spray, in Lee County at least, as Mosquito Control may not spray within a certain distance of State owned lands.

Another problem, last I heard, was that the spray that is used does not work on the saltwater variety of mosquito. And they have been finding them further inland every year.

Best bet...play romantic music, light a few candles, and pray the frogs and dragon flies are feeling amorous.

"Whenna moon hitsa you eye like a big pizza pie that'sa amore...."

#65 Posted by Neal on August 26, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

candles and romantic music huh? didnt know that to be a mosqito repellent!

#66 Posted by bubs1980 on August 26, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

#98: I remember the fogger trucks and the moron kids that would follow it on their bikes, riding in the fog (which I believe was DDT). Here's interesting info on what they were spraying us with:

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewSci...

It's amazing that any of us survived to have healthy offspring, much less to be able to reproduce at all. Those were the days of sparse/no air conditioning and there was NO escaping the toxic fog.

#67 Posted by naples00native on August 26, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sixwhite, i am talking about the immense damage that was spawned by the tornadoes that touched down in Naples. Say what you want but my dad lives in Royal Harbor (not a trailer park) I worked on his for 2 days straight, putting it back together. That doesn't even touch on the upturned cars, tree knocked down on homes etc...
These storms are not something to joke about or down play. i will admit the 99% of the media make things into something they are not from the weather to politics but, don't say there was virtually no damage.
i was also here for Andrew and because Wilma was no Camille or Andrew, doesn't mean nothing happened.

#68 Posted by NeezDutz on August 26, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What nationality is GUSTAV. I he allowed here or should I call ICE right away?? Will he sneek in by our shores thus making him legal to enter this country? Mint Chip is my favorite also!!

#69 Posted by theabyss on August 26, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I missed Naples, just moved the end of may, until I read all this.

#70 Posted by SpaceyTracy on August 26, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks BTV.

#71 Posted by mikesgirl on August 26, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember the fogger trucks well. Rode our bikes in it all the time- Great fun!! (It killed ADULT skeeters back then) Only change I have noticed is now having one eye on my right cheek.Oh,and this tail-like thingy groing out of my....POSTERIOR?

#72 Posted by cousinjed on August 26, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

C'MON CAT 5,,,,,,,BRING IT ON !!

#73 Posted by Chenzo on August 26, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sand bags are available in Bonita at most fire stations according to another article.

I remember those fogger trucks from when I was growing up in MS.

Anyone remember those huge planes that used to fly over and spray? In '84 when we moved here that plane scared the crap outta me more than once. Also recall it flying over at the butt crack of dawn.

#74 Posted by mikesgirl on August 26, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chezno you are a complete moron wishing for a CAT 5 to hit this area. I went through Hugo in SC, had a friend who lost their home in Charley and had friends who were without power for over a month after Andrew. A CAT 5 would cripple our economy. Imagine not being able to go to work because your employer doesn't have power or their customers are too busy trying to rebuild or broke from lack of work to hire your company. I had a business back when we had all those storm and the lack of revenue during the storms nearly crippled my business. I had to lay off over 1/2 my staff due to a lack of work.

#75 Posted by TSOL on August 26, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TSOl...I think chezno was kidding...or trying to be funny....I think he was trying 2 hard.

VERY FUNNY Junkyard...and I think RYU is Ryu..who?

Ryu that's who.

I'm going to go out and move some sandbags...the water snakes don't even know where to go in my lake anymore. The only place they can hide now is in my house.

Rain rain is such a pain...causing Beetle 2 much strain!

#76 Posted by beetlejuice on August 26, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The mosquitos are DRILLING their way into my screens!
Chezno is to be IGNORED! He/she is just trying to get us riled up. Sounds too much like echoterror to be tolerated.

#77 Posted by eaglebeak on August 26, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eaglebeak, I was told the mosquitos have learned how to infiltrate by the little gnat like insects which are also invading our home. I am armed (with a fly swatter) and dangerous. My wife is hiding all items which are easily broken. That vase??...well, I never liked it anyway! Who knew it would break into so many tiny pieces and scatter over an area thought to be a football field (at least that is what if seems like when I was picking up the pieces wearing some shin guards). The fact it was full of water and held flowers...well, they were CUT flowers, right?...just added some drama to the crash and splash onto the tile floor. Sounded like an explosion!

I got to mop the floor tonight, too. Dang gnat got away to boot.

#78 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 26, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ryu...how R U holding up in this weather?

Skeeters are walking away with my car as I type this.

#79 Posted by beetlejuice on August 26, 2008 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

in regards to spraying for mosquitos, we did away with that to hire 60 new police officers, 30 more high rise intersection police condos, a minimum of 6 police officers at any mild fender bender not to mention a 2 million dollar face on the GG bridge where it crosses airport Rd... oh yeah thats why we dont spray anymore... go buy a can of raid

#80 Posted by obwon on August 27, 2008 at 3:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BTV...I'm very careful using my fly swatter. I only swat when a mosquito lands on my husbands forehead. It's amazing how many land there! 30-40 a minute!

#81 Posted by eaglebeak on August 27, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

redrover...you're not into the hurricane supplies already, R U?

#82 Posted by eaglebeak on August 27, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol omg can i have whatever you guys have taken? your craking me up and its early still!!

the mosquitos are getting worse and worse at my house. the moat had started to dry up and then haha it rained again!! so now its still wet, smelly and you cant even think about going outside unless you want to get carried away by the bugs! lol i love living in a swamp!

#83 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One of our neighbors had to go way out in GGE yesterday. He has a light colored pickup truck. He said the mosquitoes attacked the truck! They swarmed it and the truck was literally peppered with the suckers. Needless to say, he was using repellant but he said some seemed to like the taste!

We must have been sprayed as there are fewer around, but enough to make it necessary to use some form of repellant when going outside.

Eaglebeak! Tsk, tsk. I used to use a kitchen towel, but I won't go into the disasters I created with that swatter. My wife bought me one of the old fashioned variety and actually gift wrapped it. We have a running joke about this device. Those dang gnat creatures are great at dodging any attempt to squish them, but I am getting better at getting them. Even caught one mid-air. Great test for reflexes.

Despite the rain, we are doing fine. The ground is pretty saturated, so we don't need any storms for a while. I don't think anyone needs to have Gustav visit them, however.

#84 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 27, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The mosquitos are the worst that I have ever seen them in over 30 years here. Everytime someone opens a door you can watch a swarm of them fly into the house.

I guess this is to be expected considering that we are surrounded by water right now. I sure wish we could get a couple of days without rain so some of this would have a chance to drain off.

I'm with you BTV we are all standing on guard with our fly swatters. They are getting a real workout right now.

#85 Posted by swfl_ff on August 27, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

COME ON GUSTAV ! BLOW MY SHACK RIGHT OFF THE MAP !
I WILL CALL THE CLAIM IN FROM MAINE. LET THE INSURANCE SCUMMERS START CUTTING FAT CHECKS ! I AM GOING TO UPGRADE TO LEVEL 22 GRANITE THIS TIME !

#86 Posted by STONECRAB on August 27, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The skeeters are very clever. They have figured out that they can get in the house by swarming on my dogs bellies! I know you're not supposed to, but I spray each dog belly lightly with Off before they go out. Then I wash it off once they ( dogs) come in.

#87 Posted by eaglebeak on August 27, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hey eagle there is a spray actually made for dogs you can buy. it works to a point but it does help!! You can get it from Petsmart. i cant think right off the top of my head as to what its called. My dogs hate it so when they arent looking i have to sneak attack them!!

#88 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bubs1980, thanks for the info. Our dogs are protected by a topical and pill ( to protect against heart worm, ticks and fleas ) . I wonder if the spray can be used concurrently. Time for a quick call to the Vet.

I found these wily insects are swarming doors (sprayed the doors) and now trying to hide in packages or any other object going from outside to in. The garage is a favorite spot. They were even hiding in my tool chest! How strange. NDN also harbored a few.

We are giving a new emphasis to the term SWAT!

The TV news reports that GGE, Ave Maria and Immokalee have had record infestations of these insects. Gee, a record year. Whoopeee.

#89 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 27, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks bubs!
My fly swatters, I have 2, are pink with white metal handles. They're at least 25 years old.
They might have been white at one time....turned pink from skeeter blood? Oops, MY blood.

#90 Posted by eaglebeak on August 27, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think you can use the spray with the others but yes i would call the vet to be sure. luckily my dogs only go out to use the bathroom and then want to come right back in. of cours in that amount of time they are COVERED with mosquitos and so am i. i have gotten to the point where i put on long pants, a hoodie with the hood over my head and tied around my face so there are no holes and sneakers and socks when i take them out now. last night i was getting attacked on my face so now i have to find something to cover my face but still ba able to see!!!

#91 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ya know, back in the 50's and 60's, EVERYONE KNEW Florida had a majority of vast areas of total swampland. Media even warned about buying and building in those swamplands. This got ignored through the years, people bought this land, threw in some fill and built housing complexes. BUT they were still SURROUNDED by the lowlands. Florida is a giant swamp that goes under water many, many times. Want to live here? Get used to it, and the snakes, and the gators, and the roaches and the skeeters and the HURRICANES. This is Florida and you cannot stop water from flowing downhill. We been here for 35 years, and we love it!!

#92 Posted by rayroman on August 27, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oh i am not saying i dont expect it, its florida, its swamp, i am aware of that, it just makes for some interesting stories too :) and i did get to wear my hoodie thats been collecting dust in the back of the closet!!

#93 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not saying either that I don't expect all of those critters ( plus spiders). It's a fun topic.
bubs....how about a wedding veil to cover your face?
I spray OFF onto my hands and then rub my face when I take the dogs out.
I should have bought stock in the makers of OFF!

#94 Posted by eaglebeak on August 27, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if they can build polders and dams like Holland? 60% of the country is underwater, just like Florida is? Does anyone know if some sort of water retention like polders or dams have been attempted in South Florida?

I have been here for over 18 years
(minus 4 years in college), never have I seen it flooding this bad. I don't remember Andrew bringing so much water, just a whole lot of wind!

#95 Posted by Nederlandse on August 27, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well i dont have a wedding viel at home but i will have to look for one. not to sure about the off on the face, i have super sensitive skin and that could turn out not good! for now i just will keep rushing my dogs to go quickly!!

#96 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes the latest model runs take right into the same place that Katrina hit. We need to keep those people in our thoughts. They are still trying to rebuild from the last storm.

I just got done mowing the part of the yard this is not under water. Eveything is good until you stop for a second. The mosquitos will be all over you like white on rice. Needless I didn't hang around out there any longer than I had too.

#97 Posted by swfl_ff on August 27, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Still trying to fight the Katerina story about the feds not doing their job with La? Go talk to the governor who never declared a state of emergency allowing the feds to do their job. Our governor did that for Fay just in case. Its called know your job description

#98 Posted by trehuger on August 27, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ray Nagin should be better prepared this time.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/nol...

#99 Posted by Ruger on August 27, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The republican convention is in St. Paul, MN next week. Sucks to be them.

#100 Posted by FL_Nurse on August 27, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rayoman, I too have been in Florida as long as you have within a year or so. I understand the the climate and ecological cycles which occur. I happen to like snakes, lizards, and other creatures. I lived without A/C in an old Florida home when I first moved here and used mosquito netting over my bed. They don't bother me per se. However these mosquitoes ARE the fresh water kind. That means these are the ones capable of transmitting diseases. The numbers are breaking records so the risk goes up. bubs is dressing correctly to avoid being a blood meal for the female. I wear my fishing clothes which have been sprayed with repellant when I need to be outside for any length of time. Long ripstop trail pants, long sleeve fishing shirt (tucked in but left loose) and my hat with a flop down back that protects my neck.

swfl_ff, I have been out mowing today also. The sprayed clothing works well even if it is a bit warmer than I would like. The funny thing is watching as the mosquitoes move into swarm and then are repelled. They hovered a couple inches away from the clothing. I did have to spray my hands. The hat worked like magic keeping them from my face, except for the one who almost flew up my nose! Kamikaze mosquito?

Funny how some have to bring politics into everything they post. Too bad, there is a time and place for this kind of debate, but I don't believe it belongs here. Too bad also that the name calling or slamming seems to work its way into these posts. Not productive, but maybe like burping after having a beer, maybe it just feels good for the moment?

Is it Miller Time yet? ;->

#101 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 27, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just heard there was a sale at Sweetbay on Mint Chip... I'm off shopping!!!

#102 Posted by theabyss on August 27, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

#10 Posted by Nplschick,,,,,, im interested in the ,,,pun,, you are thinking of,on a side blow,,,,,,,,<g>,,,,,

#103 Posted by Bullbat on August 27, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol no its another 40 minutes to bud light time.... which by the way, since they sold out to the foriegn company, reminds me i need to find another GOOD beer to drink.

#104 Posted by bubs1980 on August 27, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Luckily for New Orleans, Ray Nagin is in Denver at the convention. As long as he stays there, New Orleans residents will be just fine. Bush should have at little fun while Nagin is away. Send General Honore in to take control. Would they still accuse him of doing nothing?

#105 Posted by swampbuggy on August 27, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LISTERINE and water ( 1/2 & 1/2) works for days!

#106 Posted by Sugar1 on August 27, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

red...I may just have to find a supplier of these MRE type meals who HAS mint chocolate chip! It is my absolute favorite flavor. And thanks. I am just so tired of people being so adversarial. We need to relax, have fun and work hard to take care of each other. The future sneaks up pretty quickly. I am not old, but boy oh boy, there are days! LOL.

Mint chip beer, Rhu...now that would be interesting!

#107 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 27, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Others must have heard GUSTAV was on his way, 9 Sweetbays, no more Mint Chip. Now why didn't I think of getting beer?? I can't wait till this Hurricane Season is over and we can get back to competing with the Snowbirds!!

#108 Posted by theabyss on August 27, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sugar1.....is that mixture a repellant or does it prevent bad breath in mosquitoes? How do I get them to gargle and spit?

#109 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ice cream and beer? i dont think thats a good mix for some, i know the milk in the ice cream gets curdled by the alcohol when i drink it, and lets just say its not a pretty mixture....

#110 Posted by bubs1980 on August 28, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey does anyone wanna head over to the Hanna party? Bring your Beer & Mint Chip!

#111 Posted by theabyss on August 28, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wilma...the one that got strong because she got cold nosed in the middle of the night.

She shuffled from her bedroom (Texas), down the hallway (Gulf of Mexico), in the wee hours going to the kitchen (Florida) to get a midnight snack from the icebox.

As she bent over to look in the icebox her Golden Labrador (cold front) came up behind her and..."WAAAAAAHHHH!!"...she went nuts.

#112 Posted by Neal on August 28, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to some of the comments in the middle that were posted:

Wilma was a Cat 3 that caused $20+ billion in damage in FL. It was one of the top 5 costliest hurricanes ever in the Atlantic and it was either the 3rd or 4th most expensive in the US.

OF COURSE it was no Andrew or Camille (Andrew was a CAT 5 and hit the poorer and not well built Homestead area and Camille was also a land-falling CAT 5 with a 25 foot storm surge).

Kind of like comparing apples and oranges, isn't it?

#113 Posted by jim09091 on September 2, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)



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