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Letter of the day: Why still so slow?
Editor, Daily News:
We recently moved to Naples from Minnesota, and I have a question to ask on how fast roads are built here in paradise.
In Minnesota, they are building a 10-lane bridge (to replace the one that fell down) over the Mississippi River in less than a year.
Our last trip to Naples was in 2006 and Immokalee and Vanderbilt Beach roads were then under construction, and they still are.
What is the problem? Poor contractors, weather conditions, poor worker skills or a county that has poor oversight? There should be plenty of workers available with the construction downturn.
Just wondering how things are done here compared to where we used to live.
Fred Ruedy
Naples
Letter: That’s the way to do it
Editor, Daily News:
I commend Rick MacClugage for entering the Collier County School Board District 2 race.
MacClugage offered himself as a candidate, put together a positive-based campaign and ran on his own merits. Although the voting results were less than what Rick wanted, his participation in the elective process did the citizens a great service. Too often elective officials win seats with no opposition.
Each time our community loses the accessibility and exposure to unchallenged candidates, the unopposed candidates have no need to respond to community cries. They can do whatever they choose, for no one is there to challenge them. There is no requirement for accountability.
Fortunately, this was not the case in the District 2 race. It is a good example of issues being discussed in open public forums, new ideas being proposed and the citizens having the opportunity to choose which candidate can better serve the community.
The competitors were courteous and cordial. Respect was demonstrated to each other. It is how races should be run.
Without people like MacClugage providing the citizens a second choice, our political system becomes broken. It will corrupt itself if kept unchallenged. Political races force candidates to be responsive to the needs and wants of the community, bringing transparency and accountability to government. Honesty and respect are ultimately rewarded by the voters.
I wish Rick well in his next endeavor. Rick entered the race with integrity, and left with it intact. That is the sign of a quality campaign.
William H. Poteet Jr., Naples
Letter: Must be a better way
Editor, Daily News:
Joni Mitchell’s song, “Big Yellow Taxi,” says it all: “Don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you’ve got, till it’s gone. They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot.”
Now, let me see if I have this right. Collier County wants to attract tourists. One of the big attractions to Naples is its beautiful beaches and wildlife. Tourists pay tourist taxes when they come. Tourist taxes go into county coffers to pay to keep the beaches looking good.
So now the county wants to use tourist-tax money to build a parking garage along the beach at Delnor-Wiggins Pass State Park.
Building the structure will require removal of natural vegetation — seagrapes, palms and other habitat for animals — and it will likely cause increased erosion issues along the beach.
County officials claim that a parking garage will increase access to the beach. They also claim that this garage will help reduce traffic jams along Bluebill Avenue leading to the park.
I’d like to hear an explanation of that logic. Destroying the beach by building a parking garage isn’t the right approach to the problem of beach access or of reducing traffic jams on Bluebill.
If they think a parking garage is really necessary, why doesn’t the county provide a shuttle service from some remote parking garage?
Susan L. Snyder, Naples
Letter:Voters not truly welcome
Editor, Daily News:
As I perused the election results for Collier County in the Wednesday edition of the Daily News, I was overcome by the feelings of disenfranchisement and disillusionment.
While I take very seriously the privilege of being able to vote and the pride of never having missed a single opportunity to cast my vote, I felt as if my efforts were futile because I could not vote for any of the candidates who would have the greatest impact on my daily life — not that there were no candidates I chose to vote for, but because I was not allowed to vote for any of them!
I have always taken to heart the message “to think globally and act locally.” Yet, because our county commissioners are chosen by partisan election, anyone not registered in a party can be barred from participating in the primary election process. Why, I wondered, are the people who determine our county’s budgets, taxes, land use and all local ordinances in partisan offices?
What do the questions from street signs and traffic lights to emergency management plans have to do with party politics?
As I pondered the results and the small percentage of persons who voted, I became even more disappointed that such a tiny number of people select our leaders. This offers little, if any, challenge to the status quo and almost no attention to, or articulation of, our leaders’ vision for Collier County for tomorrow, let alone the long-term future of the quality of life in our community.
Perhaps re-evaluating this system and allowing for greater participation would energize the populace and create a more meaningfully public dialogue about the “public good.”
Ruth Dorfman, Naples
Letter: Fair wasn’t fair
Editor, Daily News:
Scam, sham to the job fair that was held Tuesday at the Hilton Naples.
Not only was there not enough parking and traffic jams on U.S. 41, but none of the employers, except two — the Army and a massage school in Fort Myers — had the integrity to stay until 4 p.m.
I arrived at 10 a.m., couldn’t get a space; I arrived at 11 a.m. and law officers told me to park four blocks away at some restaurant and walk. Finally, at 3 p.m., when I showed up after regrouping myself, I actually got a space at the Hilton. Hmm, what luck, I thought.
When I walked in they were all gone except for the two mentioned above — kudos to them.
If I weren’t 56, I’d join the Army or get a massage.
Shame on all 33 employers that were there. Go back to Management Class 101 and study up on integrity.
Your ad said 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Elizabeth T. Schemmer, Naples
Letter: Raising the bar
Editor, Daily News:
More and more Collier County citizens are getting involved in our future.
There’s a new sheriff in town!
Collier County, give yourself a pat on the back. Experience, education, integrity and honor prevailed. We have made it clear we will accept no less.
To a very professional volunteer force, I was honored to be a part of you.
Congratulations, Sheriff-elect Kevin Rambosk.
Shari Monetta, Naples
Letter: That meant a lot
Editor, Daily News:
I awoke Aug. 19 to a very stormy, windy morning.
No electricity. My clock-radio had no sound or time; the head of my bed would not rise; my lounge chair would not recline.
The TV was silent as a tomb. No coffee pot to drip when prompted; no toaster to push down.
Woe is me!
I wonder: The paper? Oh, no, it couldn’t be out front in this weather.
I gingerly opened the door, afraid the wind might be too strong.
There, right outside my screen door, was my Daily News.
I settled in my upright lounge chair and read my news.
All is right with the world!
Thank you so very much.
Gladys Webb, Marco Island
Letter: Serves him right
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Story headlined “Collier sheriff’s candidate rides elephant along Airport-Pulling Road.”
Perhaps if Collier County Sheriff candidate Vinny Angiolillo had done more research about public-safety issues, voters would have had more confidence in his ability to protect them.
A stressed elephant that rampages is nearly impossible to stop without lethal force. An Asian elephant that went berserk in Florida with five children on her back was shot with more than 50 rounds of ammunition before armor-piercing bullets finally killed her. An elephant’s deadly rampage in downtown Honolulu lasted more than an hour. Police department semi-automatic pistols were useless and a zoo veterinarian’s lethal injections had no effect. She was finally killed after the police located a high-powered counter-sniper rifle.
Elephants which by nature should be roaming freely for miles don’t “forget” the powerful genetic drives calling to them. Putting the public at risk by riding an elephant clearly wasn’t a great campaign strategy.
Jennifer O’Connor, Norfolk, Va. For People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
Letter: Learning from nature
Editor, Daily News:
As I read the Daily News one morning, I came upon an article that showed a gorilla holding her dead baby and refusing to let go.
I was never so moved by this humane reaction felt by a wild animal.
My thoughts immediately went to any female human being who chooses to abort her baby for personal reasons.
I believe deep in my heart that abortion is premeditated murder, and no one will persuade me to the contrary. When any woman realizes she is pregnant, she will give birth to a human being. To think otherwise is a pitiful and very sad excuse.
We all need God’s blessings very urgently.
Olga Caltabiano, Naples
Letter: What the ’h’ is wrong with you?
Editor, Daily News:
I have lost all faith in your publication.
After reading your editorial on insurance regulation, I can’t help but wonder why they don’t make spell-check for content.
You refer to an “unknown” public official, Kevin McCarthy. He is in fact the commissioner of the Office of Insurance Regulation for our state. His name is Kevin McCarty — not McCarthy.
He is very well respected by consumers and insurance agents in this state.
Please do your homework when expressing your opinion.
Dori Zandy, Naples
Letter: High returns for all?
Editor, Daily News:
Guest commentator John Palatiello of America Moving Forward doesn’t want opponents of the proposal to lease Alligator Alley to have much of a say. Common sense says they should.
Thinking about the lease scheme, it seems like it’s kind of like wetting the bed — a short-term solution to a long-term problem.
Our politicians will take the money from it and give away control for decades. A few years after the money is spent, we will still have crises about our infrastructure. Somewhere along the line we’ll have to have some real solutions put forward.
The folks putting up the money to buy our roadways will be expecting high returns.
Why would we not, as current owners, devise a plan whereby we can pay these high returns to ourselves?
Chuck Garrity, Naples
Letter: The one who is more in touch
Editor, Daily News:
I am convinced that if we elect Barack Obama as president of the United States we will have a man who understands and will do his best to improve the economic status of our middle class.
Not John McCain. His definition of someone in the middle class is one who makes $3 million per year! McCain believes that there are “whiners” out there who are complaining about our economic problems, but that our economy is fundamentally strong. He doesn’t seem to be in touch with members of our middle class who are struggling with mortgages just to keep their homes, or juggling their limited incomes to pay gas prices, and buy food and medicines or other necessities for their families.
McCain is offering more of the same economic policies we’ve gotten from President Bush. McCain thinks multimillionaires are members of the middle class, homeowners are to blame for the housing crisis and Big Oil needs more tax breaks, but middle-class families don’t.
Obama will put the middle class first: a tax cut of up to $1,000, an emergency rebate to cope with gas prices and student incentives for completing community service.
Obama is the man all of us need, and he should be our next president of the United States.
Sandra Davis, Naples
Letter: The view from Seagate
Editor, Daily News:
In response to Ted Raia’s Aug. 18 guest commentary:
Clam Bay is in decline. How can the Seagate community, with only 90 home sites and a handful of motorized vessels, be held more accountable for the decline of Clam Bay than Pelican Bay, a community with several thousand residents surrounded by one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country?
My intent is not to place blame on Pelican Bay for the decline of Clam Bay. The problem is a community problem, both in cause and solution. Both Pelican Bay and Seagate are an integral part of that community.
The gamesmanship and politicking over control of Clam Bay will not bring us closer to a healthier and safer Clam Bay system.
Restricting motorboat access is the rallying cry that serves to justify Raia’s mission to control Clam Bay, while diminishing Seagate’s role, by claiming that Seagate residents are only interested in increasing real estate values.
Motorboats have the ability to damage seagrass if boaters are negligent or navigational markers are absent, but who really believes that motorboats are the culprit in the overall decline of the seagrass?
And, according to Raia’s commentary, Seagate has “docks that can’t be used for motorboats because of the shallow water.” So how can our boats cause problems if we cannot use them?
I welcome him to explore the canals behind our homes, something he apparently has not done.
I respect that Pelican Bay residents have a legitimate interest in wanting to control their “backyard.”
They must not forget that their “backyard” also consists of a small, quiet community that was enjoying this “backyard” respectfully (along with other residents of Collier County) long before Pelican Bay even existed.
Kelly R. Dee, Naples
Letter: What if ... ?
Editor, Daily News:
Had I been Rick Warren, I would have asked Barack Obama a couple of related questions during the church-based forum. Still, two questions asked were very revealing.
When asked by Warren when a baby gets “human rights,” Obama responded: “Answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”
Oh really, Sen. Obama? The Endangered Species Act specifically protects the unborn and living life of endangered animal species. I would have asked: Why can’t you give a straightforward answer with specificity regarding the rights of human life instead of capriciously dodging the question? Are animal rights regarding life more precious than human rights?
When Warren asked Obama if evil exists, Obama answered: “Evil does exist” and it “is very important for us to have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil.”
OK. To some progressive liberals, I would imagine the prospects of an unwanted child is about as evil as it gets and must be confronted. Around 50 million American women have “humbled” themselves when confronted with an unwanted child, many of them late term and viable, and dealt with it.
Obama’s answer confronting evil was a big sigh of relief for 50 million women.
Barry Willoughby, Bonita Springs
Letter: Beware the ballot
Editor, Daily News:
As a retired educator and principal who worked closely with our board of education and teachers association, I strongly believe that public education is a public trust.
Our trust has been betrayed by the Florida Taxation and Budget Reform Commission which developed and proposed Amendments 7 and 9.
Ballot Amendment 7, deceptively titled “Religious Freedom,” masks the intent of this amendment, which is written to allow the deletion of the constitutional prohibition against using revenues from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect or religious denomination, or in aid of any sectarian institution.
This amendment would permit state public money to be given to private and/or religious churches, sects or institutions.
In addition to abandoning constitutional protections regarding the separation of church and state, Amendment 7 undercuts the funding of our public schools and paves the way for vouchers.
Ballot Amendment 9 entices voters with a promise of requiring 65 percent of school funding for classroom instruction. Do not be fooled. This is already the case in most school budgets.
This amendment proposes to reverse legal precedent prohibiting public funding of private school alternatives to public school programs. This amendment would enable the Legislature to provide public money to private or religious schools at the expense of public schools.
Amendments 7 and 9 mock Florida’s constitutional commitment to religious freedom and public education.
Public education is a public trust. Vote no on Amendment 7 and Amendment 9.
Barbara Martine Barlas, Naples
Letter: Free to move, choose
Editor, Daily News:
I thank God every day for giving my father the intelligence to come to America.
How lucky I am. God wanted me to be born here. I’m sorry God didn’t give that gift to all the illegals. They break a law every time they come here and expect more than those who came here legally.
I do not understand the Catholic Church, not only condoning the illegals, but wanting our law-enforcement officers to break our laws to protect them.
Our family has been Catholic forever, but now my married children and I are leaving the church. I will not send money for such corrupt thinking.
We became the greatest country in the world without Mexican workers. I’ve lived through the Depression — all crops were harvested, buildings completed, without their help.
What a blessing to be an American!
Jean Crawford, Naples
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Greetings from the "GREATEST COUNTRY" in the world.
The suspense/anticipation that failed to materialize at the "BOONDOGGLE/CONVENTION" has sapped me of all my emotions and desire to write!
Have a great day and a better tomorrow!
#1 Posted by knital on August 27, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Barry Willoughby - Yes Evil definitely exists. It's the conservative Republican Party!
#2 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 27, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice......you really have to get out of the house more often and find out what the rest of the world is doing...your fixation on those radical right wing sites has fried your thinking
if you research the immigration/Catholic church item outside right wing thoughts you would know the US Catholic church DOES NOT advocate illegal immigration......through Catholic Charities USA and along with other charities and legislators they are advocating Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) which would halt illegal immigration by expanding immigration quotas and create a temporary work program that would better respond to the labour needs of US agriculture , etc
since 1993 the US has spent over $25 billion on the southern borders but despite the toughening illegal immigration has tripled during that time
the system is broken and ineffective and is in serious need of repair
so instead of complaining in these blogs and slagging the church which you seem to enjoy complain to your Federal politicians
as for Jean Crawford she should ask her pastor the position of the church on this subject and not rely on hysterical bias news reports
and her kids are certainly not leaving the church because of this subject
#3 Posted by Canuck on August 27, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What can ya say about WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON?
His speech tonight? Described as "masterful, brilliant, a grand slam," etc........
THE OBAMANATION TSUNAMI IS PICKING UP SPEED!!!!!!!
The old guys short bus is still broke down. News at 9:00. Hope they have enough money left to get it fixed. Even the oil company donors have tossed up their hands in futility.
#4 Posted by boulderbilly on August 27, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Did you see PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CHILDREN?
Little angles. Can't wait to see the pictures like Jon Jon's.
It's time for the Democrats to return to the Oval Office. Having fun under the desk again!!!!!!!!
#5 Posted by boulderbilly on August 27, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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#6 Posted by D_IIIII on August 27, 2008 at 10:40 p.m.
Only a neocon could connect an iconic picture of American Presidential history, a child playing under the Presidents desk, with sexual perversion.
You guys really need to stay out of airport and public park restrooms. There are children around. Or is that the point DM?
#7 Posted by boulderbilly on August 27, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear Fred,
I love the way Northerners say "the WAY WE DID IT BACK IN ________."
Welcome to Naples....I really don't care how you did it up north.
In Florida, EVERYTHING IS SLOWER than UP in MINN. or UP NORTH for that matter.
You know our CC SCHOOL's SUPER IS LOOKING for a few new committee members, because he's still saying "the WAY WE DID IT BACK IN ROCKFORD.."
You both would get along quite well, and U should join one of his committees so you can make Naples your new "Minn, or IL, or OH...or MI...or NH...or whatever.
They will finish the roads when they finish the roads, meanwhile Bob Barricade will be running for President of the United States one day.
BOB BARRICADE FOR PRESIDENT!
Four years after Obama wins of course!
#8 Posted by beetlejuice on August 28, 2008 at 12:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice..I'm a CATHOLIC....AND I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA!
He has an American family we can all be proud of as Catholics!
Guess my vote will cancel your McCainiac vote!
#9 Posted by beetlejuice on August 28, 2008 at 12:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It was so refreshing to see the Democratic leadership with their first and only wives and their extended families. Family values on display.
Next week the leadership in the twin cities will appear with their current wives, their ex-wives, and many of the children fathered that they are aware of.
God Bless a Changing America!!!!!!!!
#10 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Say it ain't so. God is sending another hurricane to steal mcsames thunder during the convention.
Even mother nature is against mini me mcsame.
#11 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 12:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. Ruedy....I can only suppose that the bridge "up there" got built fast because there wasn't traffic on it while it was being built!
Road crews " down here" have to work while cars and trucks are still using the road.
#12 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Elizabeth T. Schemmer - my dear, you may have thought this job fair was all about you but in fact, it was set up and paid for by the employers. You had ample opportunity to get there in an earlier timeframe but chose to not go the "extra mile" and walk 4 blocks. Why would they choose you?
You did not adapt and expected them to accommodate you. Did you ever think that after being there for 5 hours or more that they may have had more qualified candidates than they could handle? Did it ever occur to you that getting there BRIGHT AND EARLY would show initiative and a positive attitude? That's the person I want.
Now learn this lesson so next time you are not whining about how unfair life is.
#13 Posted by naplesregular on August 28, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#18.....Very well stated. If the situation had been a huge sale at a store, no one would complain the parking lot was full nor that they would have to walk 4 blocks, nor the the 'item' was sold out by the time they got there.
#14 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't worry Elizabeth. The Bush Administration has already raised the entrance age in the Army to 45. They have recently started accepting convicted felons as well. By the time the neocons are finished destroying what is left of the military, 65 year old recruits will be accepted.
Patience dear, patience.
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
eaglebeak,
I couldn't agree with you anymore. All these "northeners" who say the north is so much better and they are so much quicker up there when it comes to building roads, they ALL need to go back where they came from then and let us live in OUR paradise. GO HOME!@
#16 Posted by roxychic1017 on August 28, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jean Crawford may have been "Catholics forever" but she certainly forgot her Catholic values to condemn the church on the falsehoods she heard on right wing media
whatever happened to a basic teaching of the church....Matthew 25:40
"whatever you do for the least of these my brothers you do for Me"
#17 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boulderbilly,
Not to rain on your parade, but the situation with our military is the fault of both political parties and the public, and has been happening for many years.
#18 Posted by Illiar on August 28, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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#19 Posted by BobbyBacala on August 28, 2008 at 9:29 a.m.
Rejoice.....just as radical right wing adherents form opinions , statements and situations to fall in line with their thinking, Catholics also have adherents that are sometimes catergorized as "cafeteria Catholics" who pick what they want to believe and twist other beliefs to their thinking...that said your posted site was very interesting and set the record straight as to Pelosi's incorrect statement as to St. Augustine's comments on the status of the fetus
the Rev. Thomas Reese summed it up beautifully:
"It is a big mistake for politicians to talk theology"
#20 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The stage has been set.
The anointed one will appear at the OBAMALOPOLIS with temperatures in the low 70's, no humidity, the beautiful Rockies in the background.
Among the entertainment, U2 and the Boss. Unlike the party of corporations, defense contractors, and the elite expected in Twin Falls later in the week, this is a movement of the people on Main St.
WELCOME ALL TO THE OBAMANATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
#21 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
BobbyBacala.....what?
Lincoln was the most popular president ever. His wife was NOT on the slim side. What does the First Lady have to do with how the President is?
Not saying Obama will become President, but what does the size of his WIFEs butt have to do with anything?
#22 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eaglebreak,
He would have really liked to spew his racist agenda but common sense prevailed. His subtle remarks "Now I know the brothers" clearly demonstrates how little he does in fact understand.
Another compassionate conservative's hatred exposed.
TIME FOR CHANGE!!!!!!!!
#23 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry Bobby but ya make it soo easy to point out your true motives.
If your party wants to be hate mongers, try a little more acceptable approach. I know, it has been tough since Karl Rove was chased out of Washington by the Justice Department but didn't he teach you anything?
#24 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
roxy, you have to admit that the road construction around here are pathetic. While I don't think everything should be done like up north (Big Dig, anyone?), but the construction around Naples, anywhere, anything, is a joke.
#25 Posted by GoneFishin on August 28, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eagle,
Just an observation. It's hard to miss. The only other interesting thing of note this week has been Biden's hair plugs. Those plugs are horrendously bad. I wonder when Biden will dye the plugs the old man "red" color?
#26 Posted by BobbyBacala on August 28, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's just too sad, in our 'modern age of thinking' that people still look at the color of someones skin!
Not saying that I am for nor saying I'm against Obama. THAT is up to me to decide who I think is the best person to rule this country. But to decide simply because a wife has a large butt....and is black? All I can say is PLEASE get a life! Read, investigate.
#27 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gator, you made me go back and look at a post by boulder. He's not worth reading (anyone who uses all caps starts failing immediately). But what did you expect? Everyone knows Clinton weakened the military, but hey, he's their man!
#28 Posted by GoneFishin on August 28, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh Bobby, #35....maybe when you grow up and stop looking at people for what you think are flaws.
Oh baby, I'll bet you're perfect!
Enough of your drivel. Bye.
#29 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, the Russians invaded the sovereign nation of Georgia, a free country with a democratically elected government. Our elected officials let the world know what we thought ...... and demeaned Russia in front of the entire world.
Dick Durbin, said in his comments, this conduct reminiscent of the “Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings?”
Congressman Jack Murtha stated “they killed innocent civilians in cold blood?”
Senator John Kerry stated they “randomly shot at civilians, [and] razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan….” and they are “terrorizing kids and children, you know, women?”
Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is this his war? “He has to answer for his war?” “He has dug a hole so deep he can’t even see the light on this?” “It’s a tragedy? It’s a stark blunder?”
Cindy Sheehan was not located but you can be sure that she was demeaning to Putin and his war.
Code Pink actually left it’s position standing on the streets in front of Walter Reed Army Medical Center harassing wounded American Warriors and their families in order to picket the Russian Embassy.
Presidential contender, Senator Barack Obama places the US invasion of Iraq on same level as the Russian invasion of Georgia. According to him, we needed to be a better example. In other words, it was America’s fault that Russia invaded Georgia. Why did he not say this about the Russians? “”“ They ended up launching a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged…”, which was his characterization of the Iraq war. I do not recall that Georgia was in violation of a cease fire agreement or in violation of more than a dozen of the United Nations’ feckless resolutions when the Russians invaded them. I also do not recall that the Georgian government was thwarting United Nations inspectors, operating rape and torture rooms, mass murdering their own citizens or paying money to the families of suicide bombers for killing Jews.
The our media has already trotted out Gorbachev to defend the Russians.. Our liberals love him. They give him the credit for ending the cold war. I believe our liberals are partial to communists in general. Gorbachev, like Putin, hopes mother Russia will once again be a major power on this planet. And many here are helping and cheering them on.
Putin has begun the energy war that will destroy countries from within, by devastating their economies. It is similar to the socialists in America trying to destroy our country through energy, environmentalism and the economy, to make Americans dependent upon government, not a free economy and capitalism.
With the wrong people in charge in Washington, they will achieve that goal. Political cranial rectal inversion syndrome is fatal.
#30 Posted by Bricklin75 on August 28, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Had to read #43 because it was just too funny.
AllGone, I didn't know you had a sense of humor!
Tick Off A Democrat:
Work Hard!
Be Happy!
#31 Posted by GoneFishin on August 28, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I love the way people say if you don't like the way things are done here, head north.
As if that's some sort of excuse for getting ripped off.
Too funny!
#32 Posted by GoneFishin on August 28, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ALGONQUIN... let's suppose you need to hire someone. Ok?
#1 applicant says....I walked 4 blocks and waited because I really want the job.
#2 applicant says....good grief, the parking lot was full and I didn't want to WALK, so I went home and waited until things weren't so busy, so I drove around, came back, still busy, left and drove around.....
Who would you hire?
#33 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would hire the person with the smaller rear end.
I definitely would NOT hire someone with hair plugs. Too scary.
#34 Posted by BobbyBacala on August 28, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sick of religion in politics. If a person wants an abortion, it is no one else's business.
The Democrats seem to want people to have the right to believe what they want and to live their lives without governmental interference. That is why they believe in abortion rights and gay marriage.
I was dismayed by the talks at the Democratic convention that were ended with "God bless Obama, God bless all of you, and God bless America."
I thought the convention was interesting, but I'd have liked it better if they had left God out of it. I don't think God likes Democrats any more than Republicans. Maybe there is no God at all blessing anyone. Evidently some of our Democratic leaders don't believe that agnostics and atheists have any rights. I'm sure there were closeted agnostics and atheists at the convention. It is hard to be be an outspoken non-believer in our religious culture. Democrats aren't as liberal and progressive as they claim to be.
I wonder how much the Republicans will talk about God next week. It will be interesting to find out.
I believe in freedom of religion, but I don't like it in politics.
#35 Posted by rationalman on August 28, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
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#36 Posted by mthalo on August 28, 2008 at 12:03 p.m.
Algonquin.... my criteria? Show up on time.... go the exta mile....show me you deserve this job.
Would I miss YOU? No.
Go to work for my competitor.....see how long you work, after they see how you go for breakfast and go to the next interview.
#37 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice...re your #34 you throw around liberal and conservative with reckless abandon...for your information let me give you the WordWeb explanation:
LIBERAL
1) a person who favours political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
2) a person who favours an economic theory of laissez-faire (doctrine that gov't should not interfere in commercial affairs) and self regulating markets
CONSERVATIVE
(adjective)
resistant to change...unimaginatively conventional....avoiding excess....conforming to standards and conventions of middle class
(noun)
a person reluctant to accept changes and new ideas
now just where do you and your new found friend Jean fit?
#38 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Algonquin999....he is right about the dollar it is rebounding...........BUT............
only because the Dow is doing so badly that investers are converting their stocks into hard currency until the markets get rid of their volatility
world currencies are experiencing a similiar surge
#39 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck and Rejoice... It's been shown historically that the biggest mistake is for politicians and theologians to talk science. Maybe theologians would like to define what life is before venturing into when it begins. Is a sperm alive and if it isn't human what is it and why? If your answer revolves around genetics, then are triploid humans human?
Canuck... I believe that Rejoice has no use for Catholics other than that she finds some of the conservative positions to be useful.
After reading that piece on the Vatican Academy of Sciences I'm sure you can see how people of good conscience can disagree.
#40 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 28, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Willoughby can believe what he wants about abortion, but he has no right to dictate to me or anyone else what to believe.
Most religions have denigrated the position of women as people. Most have see them as servants to man and bearers of children no matter what it does to them.
That's why women had to speak up for themselves, and with the help of understanding men have risen to equality in a society. No long the underling, slave, disposable and worth much less than man or even unborn fetuses.
As far as animals go: I would save the mother animal first before the fetuses. The mother bearing the young comes first, animal or human.
#41 Posted by truthmatters on August 28, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok Algonquin....I'll concede...if you give me a reason.....Post #59...you state that you're better qualified at my job than I am....exactly what did I ever state was my job?
Do you reaaly think I would hire someone who claimed the parking lot was full? So, they couldn't apply, but drove around until it suited them?
#42 Posted by eaglebeak on August 28, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
You REALLY need to get out more. In just six weeks you have posted 385 times. Did it ever occur to you that the rest of us might be sick to death of your opinions?
As for your first post today, America needs more people like Jean Crawford like it needs a nuclear attack. People like her are nauseatingly selfish, blind and ignorant. Statements like "God wanted me to be born here" speak volumes and are only made by people who don't care about those less fortunate.
I don't condone illegal immigration, but I sympathise with the plight of people fleeing an oppressive regime and starvation wages. A solution will be found, but it won't be by cold-hearted, self-serving people like Jean Crawford.
She, and you, may be Catholics, but that alone doesn't make you good people.
#43 Posted by BigG on August 28, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" no longer adequately describe people assigning themselves the label.
Liberals preach tolerance, but the truth is they are some of the most hateful people out there.
Liberals preach progress, but continue to tout the same failed ideas (how's that war on poverty going?)
The reality is that neither of them can be accused of engaging in truly progressive, outside the box thinking.
#44 Posted by mthalo on August 28, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AARGGHHH.....I agree with you about politicians but there are several renown scientists who became theologians and vice versa and are capable of speaking on both subjects....
one of the most renown is John Polkinghornee who is a very famous English scientist..a fellow of the Royal Academy who became an Anglican priest and studied theology
he wrote a best seller "Belief in God in an Age of Science"
#45 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#69 Hey Rejoice: You are a female right? Your ltte today disclosed that contention on my part. Your terminology was quite "revealing. But, as far as vocal "liberties", you obviusly have sequestered that "SEWER" Rush Limbaugh and SEan Hannity who continuously spew their GOP venom unto the airwaves. I wish there was a way that I could DEMAND that my radio not be "contaminated" by their "garbage".
#46 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 28, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bill and Hillary Clinton both gave superb speeches. We all owe them our thanks.
Joe Biden, however, was too hawkish for me. On Georgia he was an echo of Bush and McCain. Neither one recognizes that Georgia's invasion on South Ossetia, a separtist province since the early 90's, that that invasion started the whole thing.
I saw the picture of South Ossetians holed up in the basement of a synogague, praying for God to save them. They were innocent men, women and children besieged by Georgia, many killed and their homes obliterated. They prayed to God for four days without food. Well, it looks like God heard their prayers and sent the Russians to save them.
Georgia is guilty of starting this, and for some reason, we cover up the tragedy of the South Ossetians, trying to remain free and independent.
Of course now, they'll never want to be a part of Georgia after what Georgia did to them, and they will reach to be a part of Russia who saved them.
Such stupid leadership is beyond definition. In one single action Bush/McCain alienated Russia, made it again a formidable enemy by threatening them with punishments, and we made sure that South Ossetia will never accept being a part of Georgia unless you kill them all. Now, Maybe Bush and Mccain think that's all right, because they have other goals, but I call it downright unacceptable.
Obama's first reaction was correct. This is much more complex than simply Georgia good, Russia bad and S. Ossetia invisible.
I hope that Obama sticks to his instincts and judgment and doesn't get drawn into this inexcusable behavior for our country to follow.
#47 Posted by truthmatters on August 28, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice: You say everything is fine and we should thank Georgie W. Bush for his leadership. Is that your "motherly instinct" coming out to protect your own? There are classic examples of that emotion being demonstrated in front of electric chair executions of murderers. It is plain to see that's your intent. It's the "womb" to "grave" syndrome!
#48 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 28, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice.......boy there is so much I could say but I will keep to my policy of not discussing your Presidential elections......
however...as usual Rejoice you did not answer the question...where do you belong???
BTW..it is not "your (my) dictionarey (sic) it is WordWeb which is free if you care to download it...may give you a better insight to some of the words you so carelessly throw around
and still hung up on religion???? you really should see someone about that
#49 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
Obviously, you and Algonquin999 don't go to work. Are you both independently wealthy?
If so, take up golf, sailing, anything to get you out of the house and off this forum for a while.
If not, shouldn't you be out looking for work?
Either way, please concentrate on quality rather than quantity in future. Lots of regulars have dropped off the forum, probably from boredom and/or over exposure to you two.
#50 Posted by BigG on August 28, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, I don't want us, America, to pay for the rebuilding of Georgia as McCain, Bush and Biden said.
That also is ridiculous. We have our own problems and already too many outside of ourselves in the middle east.
What gall. They ought to get the royal boot right out of our country.
And don't underestimate Russia's intelligence. They know full well what we're up to. They aren't as dumb as we seem to be believing all this garbage this administration hands us.
#51 Posted by truthmatters on August 28, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Emergency alert" It's time for Johnny McCain and the RNC to petion Pat Robertson to put in an immediate call to the Man Upstairs to direct Gustave towards Mexico or Denver and not create a dilemma that will remind the public of Katrina, Rita, FEMA, "Brownie" and the Bush vacation during the GOP convention. It's bad enough that the airport bathrooms in the St.Paul/Minneapolis have become a tourist attraction. The GOP doesn't need any more reminders of derelict leadership and corruption. Now is the time to take Hillary Clinton to task and recognize that the Bush/McCain analogy to the twin cities is a valid reason to "continue the fight" for power and control. Just to be safe, an advisory to all red blooded Republicans is to buy Halliburton puts.
#52 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 28, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice,
Ayers and Rezko are not hoaxes, but real people who Obama has associated with on boards, neighbors etc etc. Please enlighten us with a list of all the unsavory people Bush and McCain have had contact with? The list is very long! Ken Lay, Keating, Abrahmoff, etc etc. Should I go on?
Balanced and fair are not in your vocabulary, as you are blatantly partisan in your criticism if your concern is truly corruption.
The hoaxes are by far more vicious and intentionally wrong. He is a muslim, not an american citizen,on drugs, hates america, not patriotic, would rather lose the war then the election and blah blah blah.Hoaxes or truth?
Myth if heard often enough becomes reality.
You all live in the mythological kingdom of republicanworld.
#53 Posted by opnmind on August 28, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BW, First off, Warren's interview should not have happened. It is wrong to use religion in politic's. That said, it was not done fairly and Warren should not have told everyone that McCain could not hear Obama's interview before his own, this was not true.
To be fair Warren should have asked when the womans human rights stop and the babies begin?
#54 Posted by bossman1 on August 28, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Heretic...formally hesaves....formally GOD...formally G_D.......
you are still a disgrace to your faith and your race...what would YOUR spiritual adviser say about your hate posts????
still wondering why so many names......oh that's right....removed for inappropriate remarks but like a bad penny keeps re-appearing
#55 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AllGone,
To quote a phrase, "Were you there?"
Typical lib.
#56 Posted by DinNaples on August 28, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nope, but it must be for you and Teddy.
#57 Posted by DinNaples on August 28, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#38 GatorHater07,
I have to argue that it goes back a little further. The Bush administration (Big Daddy Bush) had begun a program of downsizing prior to the Persian Gulf War. After the war, the downsizing continued along with some restructuring of the military. Some of the restructuring was to instill some versatility in some MOSs.
But it probably goes back further than that. Look at the aftermath of Vietnam. The military essentially got spit on by the public and the government. Follow that with years of budget cuts, restructuring/cutting some benefits, social engineering, etc. which resulted in increasing retention problems, and making the military less attractive for recruitment.
Add to that transition problems for prior military into a civilian workforce that fails to recognize and/or value the skills and experiences of exservicemembers.
#58 Posted by Illiar on August 28, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Looks like the Whig Party's convention will lose all its coverage to Gustav, if they are fortunate, they may get a little split screen time. Ah, but what the hell. Mini me mcsame has nothing new to offer but a continuation of the last eight yeats of failure on all fronts.
But wait neocons!!!! Perhaps Gustav will hit New Orleans and Bush, mini me mcsame, and Brownie can fly in and save the day.
Again!!! LMAO
#59 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Abramoff is being offered "time off" to cooperate in revealing his complicity with Republicans. Oh no! Ayers and Rezco are complaining that they are being shoved out by the "big player". Leave it to the GOP to upstage the Democrats everytime. It's the NIXON syndrome, a mortal sin that searches for a redeemer. Poor Johnny! He's not the "spirit".
#60 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 28, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Barry Willoughby -
You mentioned endangered species in your letter. I didn't know humans were an endangered species. It's just the opposite. There are too many people on Earth. Human beings are causing the extinction of many forms of life. Humans should limit their numbers. In some countries, humans are breeding like flies and the quality of life is terrible. People live in poverty and squaler such as Bangladesh, Africa and India. Those people should be taught birth control and abortions for those who can't raise their large families. Religions in those areas are against birth control and abortions, while people suffer even more all the time.
China has about 5 times more people than the United States in an area about the size of the U.S. They've tried to limit the number of children being born, but their population continues to increase.
If the population gets out of control, People will have a poor quality and lfe, and eventually starve or suffer some other pestalance.
#61 Posted by rationalman on August 28, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Heretic......when you post hate against my faith I will respond and believe me you are no messenger...just another hate monger in line with the white supremacy and the KKK
and despite attacks from hate mongers like you and another POV the church has survived throughout the ages
along with blind hate you have no sense of reality when you post your lies..."the church as done nothing but disgrace pain and suffering"..etc
you really are delusional when you make such an asinine statement
and you don't know how to spell..."steel (sic) from the people....." etc which furthers states your ignorance
burned alive????where did you dig that one up...ancient times...? when your people stoned to death those that did not agree with the High Priests
"losing homes to illegals"..........you really are stretching your hate...people who try to survive on much less than minimum wage take homes????.....by the way how did you enjoy the produce that those illegals picked to put on your table and line your pockets with the profit they make for companies you support
you bow down to your idol of hate..it consumes your being
you have a problem with people struggling to pay for their children.....what do you contribute to societies poor????? or are they all losers in your eyes
so again I say you are a disgrace to your faith and your race.....and perhaps you need that spiritual adviser that you can find on Pine Ridge RD...just east of 41
#62 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gladys Webb of Marco Island -
You mentioned being surprised that your newspaper was delivered on the morning when Tropical storm Fay went through. You also felt that all is right with the world.
You must not have read your paper very well. When I read the paper, I come to the conclusion that all is not right with the world. My paper is full of Wars, murders, storms, accidents, cruelty, intolerance, hatreds, evironmental degradation, animal cruelty, sickness, death and other happenings that are not alright with the world.
I believe in looking at the good things in the world, but there is too much wrong with it, that we can't seem to do much about.
#63 Posted by rationalman on August 28, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
and who has already been banned for inappropriate remarks such as posted here...three times and going for four!!!!!
GOODBYE!!!!
#64 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Heretic:
All religion aside, there is something seriously wrong with you, mentally.
Get help.
#65 Posted by indigodragonfly on August 28, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I struggle with what to believe about the afterlife. I want to believe that there is something more...but I see that light go out of peoples eyes all the time. It just dont seem like there is anything after. It makes it hard for me knowing whats inevitable for everyone I know.
People that get killed suddenly always have a suprised look on their face. People that know its coming beg for me to do something. Sometimes I can. A peice of me dies with the rest.
I think I saved a 5 y/o girl this morning. At least for today. I was able to breathe a little too afterwards.
Religious people seem really violent to me. If you dont agree with the same opinion they were given from their preacher they get really mad. They think everyone that disagrees with their thinking is an enemy to them. They hate gay people just for being gay. Without ever even sitting down and talking to someone to find out how they are..just hate them because they are told to. Same for women that have abortions. I wonder how many of them that shout and hold signs at those women go out and help little kids with no parents.
I hope they can let go of that. I've seen whats coming.
#66 Posted by memphismedic on August 28, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
on a completely different subject Microsoft released Internet Explorer 8 on Wednesday...but be very careful downloading as it can mix up your other drivers......I downloaded and then it would not allow me to access because "some add-ons needed to be disabled"...what they were baffled me.......so I uninstalled and IE 7 automatically returned....I will now wait until I read more about the new explorer....
if anyone knows more I would appreciate the info
BTW... I was downloading on Vista
#67 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
memphismedic:
You contradict yourself.
First you say that you struggle with what to believe, then you say that you've seen what's coming.
All you see is the physical body expiring.
Not one of us has a clue what happens to us after the physical body dies.
I personally believe that if you live a good life, helping instead of harming other life, you should not fear death.
You have no choice, everyone dies sooner or later.
Fear just adds to the inevitable.
We die whether we want to or not.
And all of the arguing over religion, politics, race, sexual preference isn't going to mean a thing after it happens.
Which is why all of these people who blog on this LTTE blog day in and day out are wasting that precious gift of life, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day, neverending.
What a pity.
#68 Posted by indigodragonfly on August 28, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
memphismedic....I tried to change the subject but then read your post.....I don't question your belief but certainly you have seen the other side of death where people who are terminal ill are awaiting death to go on to what they believe..or do you only deal in trauma where death is unexpected
as for violence...read the posts from the often banned hate monger
main stream religions do not hate gay people...they do believe the act is against the covenant of God but in most main stream religions gays are welcomed
again I can't speak for all but most abortion clinics do not have any violence and you might just be surprised of the charity of some of the people who are in that line
like any faction of society there are radicals...just read a lot of the blogs here...but you cannot paint everyone with the same brush
in the meantime what do you know about internet explorer 8?
#69 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
no dealing with the mentally deranged!!!!
for the record:
TORONTO: An official with Air Canada's regional carrier Jazz says the airline is removing life vests from all its planes to save weight and fuel.
Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stuart said Thursday Transport Canada regulations allow airlines to use floatation devices instead of life vests provided the planes remain within 50 miles (80 kilometers) of shore.
Safety cards in the seat pockets of Jazz aircraft now direct passengers to use the seat cushions as floatation devices.
Stuart says Jazz is a transcontinental carrier that doesn't fly over the ocean.
Jazz planes do fly over the Great Lakes and along the Eastern seaboard from Halifax to Boston to New York.
Stuart says all of Jazz's flights operate within 50 miles (80 kilometers) of shore. She says they operate 880 flights daily to 85 destinations in North America and says the number of flights that operate over water are minimal.
#70 Posted by Canuck on August 28, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Go back up North Fred!
The roads are waiting 4 U to drive on and complain about.
#71 Posted by beetlejuice on August 28, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No one ever dares to question the patriotism of republicans. It's quite clear they love their country. They just hate half the people living here.
#72 Posted by tried_n_true on August 29, 2008 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, alot of comments, I'll just make one. I know there would be alot less abortions, if there was more "protected" sex.
#73 Posted by rayroman on August 29, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
it looks like the NDN took out the trash late last night as the Heretic's 7 hate posts today are gone....not just removed...gone for the fourth time for inappropriate remarks.....unfortunately he will probably re-appear under another (5th) name
#74 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Indigo
No contradiction. I've not seen the afterlife....only the end of life. Hard to get a solid thought about what could be after that.
Canuck
I'm a paramedic firefighter. So its trauma for the most part.
...as for the Internet 8...good luck. I'm a call the geek squad kinda guy
#75 Posted by memphismedic on August 29, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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