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Letter of the day: ‘Come ride with me’
Editor, Daily News:
I have lived on Marco Island for over 20 years.
During that time, I first rode a motorcycle.
After almost getting taken out by a car that pulled in front of me I had to lay the bike down. I sold it.
Next, I rode a scooter for years.
Just decided to sell the scooter and ride a bicycle for health reasons.
I thought with years of experience on two wheels I would be good. Wrong! Big mistake.
On Barfield Road a landscaping truck with a trailer came too close. Another truck again came too close into the bike path.
If you look, you will see trucks and trailers drive with one wheel over the white line onto the bike path.
Riding on the sidewalk is no better. Between hedges close to the sidewalk cutting visibility, overhanging vegetation and drivers not stopping early at stop signs, I feel unsafe.
How about whoever is in charge of biking on Marco come ride with me and see the problems?
How can you improve the safety of Marco citizens?
Nicholas Polka, Marco Island
Just play it straight
Editor, Daily News:
I read the Police Beat feature on Thursday and was very upset when I read the part about the teenager with the stolen credit card.
You were making fun of him in several sections and definitely led the reader to believe that the paper is endorsing the guilt of this suspect.
For example, you wrote: “So, as credible as his excuse was, deputies chose to check it out.”
And: “Surprise, surprise, deputies determined that (the suspect) was an employee of Marsala Pizza.”
It’s hard to take this as anything but the Daily News poking fun with someone charged with a felony, not convicted of one, and telling its readership that he is lying when that has not been proven in any court.
I think this would certainly be grounds for a lawsuit if this went to trial as it unfairly taints the case in the community.
The Police Beat feature needs to be taken much more seriously. These people live in the community and when the paper does something like this it casts an unfair light on someone. This is ridiculous.
Andrew Monnot, Naples
They work so hard
Editor, Daily News:
Collier County voters owe a huge debt of gratitude to the Supervisor of Elections Office teams and the volunteers who made all the electoral parts function so that we could vote with confidence in this primary election.
Based on the legislation passed by our legislators, elections office teams created a whole new voting system within a matter of months. Not only did they work with manufacturers to develop the DS200, but they created extensive training documentation and communication capability, and organized hundreds of volunteers to support early voting and election day.
The intensity of this effort would be overwhelming for the average organization. The elections office training and information technology (IT) departments, and many others not readily apparent to the public, rose to the occasion with long hours of effort grounded in the premise that the citizens of Collier County had the right to vote with the most secure process possible.
I cannot begin to name all of these dedicated people, but I want to acknowledge the training staff in particular, those who had the most public face of this effort.
And, let’s not forget to thank all of the volunteers who were an integral part of the voting process. They gave up days and hours of their lives because they believe you have the right to vote.
Thank you to those of you in both the public and private sectors who make it possible for Collier County to be a county that continues to think that every vote is important!
Vi Steffan, Naples
Tarnished indeed
Editor, Daily News:
I must say that I have seen and read many things in the Daily News that have made me question the journalistic values of the editorial staff.
But nothing compares to the Aug. 22 front-page use of the word “tarnished” when referring to U.S. Olympians.
By definition, tarnished means “to cast aspersions on; sully; to diminish or become tainted.”
As I have watched our young people compete and represent the United States, I have never been prouder of my country. Our athletes have been competitive sportsmen who have worked hard to achieve success in their chosen sport.
They have represented their country and themselves with honor and distinction. The fact that they may not have won a gold medal does not “tarnish” their accomplishments. The only “tarnished” conduct related to these Olympics comes from the editorial staff of the Daily News.
Those responsible for the selection and use of this word to describe our athletes and their accomplishments should immediately apologize to the members of the U.S. Olympic team and the readers of the Daily News.
Peter G. Nagurny, Naples
Runners have a reason
Editor, Daily News:
I have been living in Naples now for over four years and strongly agree with the question raised in Thursday’s letter of the day from Fred Ruedy, who wondered why it takes so long to build roads around here.
It would be great if someone would respond to these questions.
One more issue which is unique to Naples and perhaps to all of Florida are the long traffic lights. No wonder we have so many cars running red lights — they just don’t want to wait for the two- to three-minute red lights.
The sensor in the street should be faster responding if no one passes within 10 seconds.
Juergen Hermann, Naples
How about publicization?
Editor, Daily News:
On Tuesday, I attempted to show my feelings at the polls on the proposal to privatize the custodial services in the Collier county school system by voting for opponents of the proposal.
In addition, I have lingering questions and opinions concerning the proposal.
1. It first of all smells of blatant, offensive, cronyism of the superintendent. For the selected “privateer” company to say that it would hire back the same employees is particularly offensive.
Is anyone really stupid enough to believe that they will be offered their jobs at anywhere near their present (barely living) wage levels after the privateer has made budgetary provisions for its profit (which profit margins will not be subject to public scrutiny)?
2. If we have a public responsibility to provide a public education and fund it with the public treasury, then the providing of those public services, and expenditure of all of the related public funds, should at all times be under the direct scrutiny of properly elected public officials exercising the fiduciary responsibilities of their elected offices.
One might ask the question whether privatization of any aspect of those services and oversight over the expenditure of public funds might well constitute malfeasance in office, at the worst; or, an abdication and breach of fiduciary duty by the public officials, at best.
3. If the provision of the public service is not being managed efficiently, just maybe that might indicate that perhaps the regime does not need to be changed, but that the managers do, beginning with the board members and their appointed delegate, the superintendent.
David L. Wolfe Jr., Naples
Choices
Editor, Daily News:
I got quite a smile out of Bruce Reichert’s letter in which he expresses his opinion of people who vote for third-party candidates.
By the tone of his letter, he seems to be the one throwing the tantrum and shouting, “Pay attention to me.”
I am a firm believer in the principles of the Libertarian Party, and years ago I did vote for its candidates as I felt there was no difference in the candidates of the two major parties. That was my choice at that time — no tantrums or shouting and no regrets.
This time it’s a no-brainer. The choice is between the long tentacles of socialism versus the Republican Party with, sorry to say, a liberal slant. I do respect Sen. John McCain as a person.
Walter Renner , Naples
Counting power
Editor, Daily News:
Re: James Athanas’ Aug. 19 letter.
Congress is comprised of 535 members. There are 435 members of the House of Representatives and 100 members in the Senate.
The Democrats hold the majority in the House with 233 seats to the Republicans’ 202. The Senate is also held under Democrat control since the two independents vote virtually always with the Democrats.
Joe Lieberman, although an independent, has not lost his Democrat roots, and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who refers to himself as a Democrat Socialist, also votes with the Democrats.
In essence, this gives the Democrats 51 votes to the Republicans’ 49.
Oh yes, the last time I checked, the president had a higher poll rating than Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Congress.
Charles Wickes, Naples
Bottom line
Editor, Daily News:
Barack Obama this, and John McCain that, who’s who and what can he do?
We hope and think this one can bring us out of the terrible situations we are in today. Yet, this one says he can make changes that will benefit most people.
How do we know? It’s the same as always. You’ve got to have faith. But then, faith in what? A decision, a selection, a guess?
We go with our instincts hoping that’s enough; yet, we must have faith. Like an athlete who goes for the gold, we have to put our faith in what we are doing.
There is no guessing. It isn’t a selection. It is a run for the top job of our country, and whoever is your choice, you have to have faith in him.
It’s a vote for the good of our people.
Marie Dekkers, Naples
His way of hiding
Editor, Daily News:
Some issues are so critical that redundancy becomes appropriate.
One of these issues is that of ensuring that Barack Obama is not elected to the presidency. This is particularly true in an election year in which all pollsters suggest that the Democrats will, inexplicably, have enormous increases in both the House and Senate.
The far left of the Democratic Party would then have unimpeded control over the executive and legislative branches of government, followed closely by a takeover of the Supreme Court through likely appointments. America could not survive their cult-like fanaticism.
A question should be asked as to why Obama felt it necessary to become a candidate in 2008? After all, there was an extremely strong candidate, Hillary Clinton, who is even now seen as more “electable.” In addition, she offered much to the electorate of what Obama publicly professes.
The answer is quite simple: Obama could not be a voting member of the Senate for four or eight more years without exposing his radical-left agenda. He probably recognized he had no experiential right to the presidency, but also understood that he would not be viable with his projected Senate voting record weighing him down. It was now or never.
In a nightmare scenario that could have been the stuff of a pulp-fiction novel, we stand poised to elect a candidate without one historic qualification for the presidency. His background, contacts and agenda, however, are quite clear. He will usher in a socialist America; this is the “change” he promises.
Andrew R. Joppa, Naples
Two for one
Editor, Daily News:
• Re: Brent Batten’s Aug. 19 column.
Soccer is too low scoring. You are right.
Why don’t you use your influence and suggest six points for each goal scored? While you’re at it, transpose the name soccer for the name football. Look at soccer as billiards on grass.
My vote for the gold medal of any sport is to count how many times Terry Francona spits during a game!
Now, there’s a sport for the ages.
• Just asking — again.
If superdelegates decide who the next president is going to be, why should the rest of us even bother to go the polling places?
Where does the popular vote enter the equation?
Frederic Geiringer, Naples
That 19 percent
Editor, Daily News:
It is fact that America is experiencing:
1. a miserable economy; 2. a war; 3. an energy crisis; 4. a national debt that requires nearly $16,000 a second in interest charges.
The foregoing did much in motivating a majority — 81 percent of Americans polled — to think the country is going in the wrong direction! It’s that remaining 19 percent who think the country is going in the right direction that scares the daylights out of me!
Does this 19 percent include the verbal hand-wringers because a presidential candidate changed the emblem on the tail of his campaign airplane? What about the overt concern over lapel pins? Or those mentally challenged that spew venom-laced verbiage when enunciating somebody’s middle name because it doesn’t sound American?
Are they part of that 19 percent, or those who use the name of their respective religious icons as good reason to ignore the welfare of their country or that of fellow human beings? Are they part of that 19 percent?
It defies imagination that anybody would give his attention to partisan drivel when America’s crises literally demand undivided bipartisan attention.
Ed Frick, Naples
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THE DENVER ADDRESS has engulfed this country like a tsunami.
Hope is returning.
#1 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A helicopter circled a flooded New Orleans with Cheney, Bush, and Libowitz aboard. The Air National Guard pilot had recently returned from his third tour in Iraq.
Looking down at the survivors on their roof's, Lieberman said "if I threw 100 brand new $100 dollar bills out to them, they would love me."
Cheney quipped "if I threw 10,000 crisp $100 bills out of the chopper, 10,000 citizens would think I'm great!!!!
Bush responded "if I throw a million $1 dollar bills out of here, I'd earn the love of one million citizens."
The pilot turns to his co-pilot and said "let's throw these three aholes out, keep the million, and ALL of America will love us forever."
#2 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a very rare document writen by Sarah Palin and was on her website in 2006 but was abruptly janked for some unknown reason:
"My dad gave me two of the greatest gifts in my life: an upbringing in Alaska and an appreciation for all one can gain from athletics. He was Wasilla High School’s track, cross-country and freshman basketball coach. He never let me quit, no matter how bad it hurt or how the odds ware stacked against his athletes. He taught “no pain, no gain.., and you reap what you sow,.. and there ain’t no such thing as a flee lunch.., and dig deep, push hard and fully rely on your ROCK!”
(In our case, that ROCK would be God.) These are lessons I draw on everyday."
It's still online in a blog, just look for the link
It used to be on http://web.archive.org/web/2005112903...
#3 Posted by hesaves on August 30, 2008 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sarah Palin is a member of the National Rifle Association. That is enough to vote against McCain. She's against a woman's right to choose an abortion. She believes in competition in health care. Evidently she wants more profits for insurance companies. She is much too right wing to suit me. If McCain dies in office, we would be in a terrible mess.
I'd like to vote for Ralph Nader, but I would throw away my vote. The lesser of two evils is Obama and Biden. The Democratic administration will be better than the last eight years of Republican disaster.
#4 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hesaves #4 -
The rock that people like Sarah Polin believe in is the gun, god, and greed of the Republican philosophy. They believe that families should have lots of children, guns, and to hell with the environment and poor people.
#5 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 1:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Andrew Joppa is a fear monger. McCain and his followers are a bunch of reactionaries. They are against what is best for the common and poor people.
#6 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 1:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin's bio is a fun read. I wonder if McCain read it or during his one time meeting with her looked into her eyes and see her soul? I hope he saw that see is a religous zealot and has no interest or knowledge of world affairs.
I do love it that she and her family are union workers, supporters, hubby belonging to United Steelworkers Union.
Also on the good side, she also raised the state taxes on big oil causing the state tax revenues to increase and lowering the tax burden on Alaska's citizens.
Does this sound a little familiar to you dolts?
#7 Posted by bossman1 on August 30, 2008 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Joppa sacrifice's the United States and American's in every LTE he writes for his insane idealogy, party loyality and love for Israel.
Andy is a good writer and spin artist, it's too bad he just doesn't 'Get it', as our next President orated this week.
#8 Posted by bossman1 on August 30, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bruce Reichert responds to Walter Renner. The issue is really about third party votes in National elections. I was shocked when I first saw a Ron Paul supporter willing to vote for or support Nader or Obama. That makes no rational sense. Ron Paul is for the individual. The other two are “for the good of the village”. These are diametrically opposed positions.
Trying to determine how that could be, I came up with two possibilities and accept there may be more.
These people are looking for a crusade. It does not matter what it is really about. It is the joy of fighting in the street. It is the joy of random acts. It is the joy of release without responsibility.
I also noticed a few common threads. The Ron Paul supporters I met were violently anti war and anti Bush and perhaps they are so single issue focused it distracts them from what I would consider to be rational decisions. I have not heard one of them make a positive action step towards achieving a real voice in the process of getting a national figure we could wholeheartedly support.
I do not support McCain’s position on most things. But Obama is over the left field fence. A vote for Barr or anyone else just brings that fence closer in.
(An interesting aside. When I did a spell check, for Nader it suggested nadir.)
#9 Posted by worldhotel on August 30, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
well I see it did not take long for the banned Heretic to reappear with his other name...... hesaves......
I was wrong that he was banned under this name..... as he has been banned under the names GOD...G_D....and last Thursday under the name......HERETIC
wonder how long it is going to take this time?
#10 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Get a life, Andrew Monnot.
Maybe a life as a bleeding-heart liberal judge who lets all the criminals go free so as not to hurt their little feelings.
#11 Posted by ke6tdy on August 30, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Bush Body Count Total.
(Private contractors excluded.)
4097.
#12 Posted by boulderbilly on August 30, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"John McCain toured a New Orleans neighborhood still reeling from Hurricane Katrina and issued a new and scathing critique of the ``terrible and disgraceful'' failure of the Bush administration's response to the disaster.
McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said that had he been president he would have immediately visited the area after the storm hit in August 2005. While he's been critical of the administration's Katrina response before, the Arizona senator's remarks today were some of the sharpest he's used.
``Never again will a disaster of this nature be handled in this terrible and disgraceful manner,'' McCain said after a walking tour of the Lower Ninth Ward, a predominantly black neighborhood that was devastated by Katrina. ``History will judge this president,'' he said. ``This was an unacceptable scenario.'"
LMAO.
I wonder what mini me is gonna say when Gustav hits and Jr. is still vacationing in Crawford?
I can just hear the call now. "What the hell do ya want me to do grasshopper? I'm going mountainbiking today and quail hunting with the Boss tomorrow.
Just tell them to tread water till my vacation is over.
I gotta go. Call if anything big happens."
LOL.
#13 Posted by boulderbilly on August 30, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Where are all the conservatives??? Still out celebrating I presume???
And no Yaaahhhhoooooos or other sounds from the socialists.
And they wasted all that money and created all that garbage in Denver for nothing.
Cheer up, Barack could have won and you could have found out he really WAS middle of the road, patriotic and not racist or communist. Then how would you feel.
Maybe a blue dog in 2012 instead of a socialist and we'll have a democrat candidate my democrat parents and I can vote for, AGAIN. Till then, I'm sticking with the RINO.
Well, what now ............... Hey, how bout them Cubbies?????? Their 100th year anniversary of their previous world series win is THIS YEAR.
Too bad Harry & Brickhouse will miss it.
Hey Hey
Holly Cow
#14 Posted by ChiDem on August 30, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mini me just announced the first step in his budget reduction program.
"To closer reflect the current economic conditions for female pay in the private sector, we will be slashing the new Vice Presidents salary by 30%. Those savings will be passed on directly to the taxpayer."
The only response from Alaska was the click of ammo being loaded into a pistol.
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on August 30, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: "Bushie" Joppa "warns" of an impending Democratic "takeover" of government that would be disastrous. For who? Republicans! It's ironic that the plan Joppa describes is right out of the GOP play book. It's the one Karl Rove failed to execute. Who are we kidding? The hypocrites like Joppa and his Republican fellow failures of the last 8 years hate to take their "medicine". There is no pardon waiting for them in November.
#16 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#13 ke6tdy -
I guess you don't believe in the American system of justice that says that a person arrested should be considered innocent until proven guilty. It hasn't anything to do with being a bleeding-heart. You sound like a person with a heart of stone. You sound like an intolerant bigot. Even people who commit crimes have rights under our justice system. Anyway they should have. People like you should be living in Saudi Arabia where people who commit crimes are tortured or killed.
#17 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FOX Noise reports that Sarah Palin is strong on national defense. During her term as governor of Alaska, their neighbor, Russia, has not "dared" once to infringe upon Alaskan territory or threaten Alaskans. Fox actually reported this comment on their morning show. I feel better already. I wonder if Sarah will give Cindy her recipe for mooseburgers. That would be a big addition for the potential Ms Buffalo Chip's cookbook. They say buffalo is good "eating" too. Sweet!
#18 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sarah Palin sure looks a lot like Sallie Fields and reminds me of the "flying nun". Can't be, of course, she has 5 kids.
Her remarks about Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton sounded "complimentary", quite a contrast from the usual GOP mud slinging so characteristic of the past comments they have made about these two. And that ceiling Sarah is going to "crash" through, that's another "plagiarism" which she will have to be mindful of when debating Joe Biden. That will be one debate worth the price of admission. Iraq, children, defense, mooseburgers and a bridge to nowhere should keep everyone's attention on the tv.
#19 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"THE DENVER ADDRESS has engulfed this country like a tsunami."
So says BB.
Yup, just like a tsunami, it has spread fear and distruction throughout the country. And, possibly reduced BoulderBilly to PebbleBilly!
#20 Posted by freedomsailor on August 30, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Juergen Hermann;
All you need to know to see why it takes so long to builds roads in Fla. is to look at the article on Rattlesnake Hammock rd.
It states that the contractor is being fined $25,000 per day for not being finished.
The reporter interviews an administrator from the county, and is told, "yes, they have accumulated a considerable amount of fines, but we will sit down with them and negotiate that amount down."
So, as you see, you are in good ole boy territory, now. They all take care of each other and try to screw the "carpetbaggers".
;-)
#21 Posted by Optipess on August 30, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How about John McCain!!! He pulls up even in the polls because the "real truth/background" of Braco is surfacing. He then steps up to the plate and hits a "GRAND SLAM" with picking the tough/experienced female excutive/manager who is a GOVENOR!!!
The extemporaneous debates between McCain and Braco will certainly show that Braco needs a tela-prompter. As far as Sarah goes, Mr. Personality/Joe hasn't got a chance in a debate with this lady!!! You GO SARAH!!!
Post #22 - Very good response.
VICTORY IS NOW IN SIGHT!!!
THE REPUBLICANS FINALLY GOT IT TOGETHER!!!
#22 Posted by knital on August 30, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One thing you can say about Palin is what Biden said about Obama: She's clean.
She is not a trash Chicago politician with ties to cop killers, terrorists and Rezko.
#23 Posted by GoneFishin on August 30, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Where exactly did that multi-million dollar loan come from that gave Rezko the ability to help Obama buy a house?
Oh, was that stolen from Iraq?
Why is that guy who was convicted in Iraq for stealing from the government now living free in Chicago? And why did Rezko suddenly get a lot of money so he could help Obama buy a house?
What is going on there?
#24 Posted by GoneFishin on August 30, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#24 Knital - What no platitudes today? Could it be that the shock of a "hockey mom" "flying nun" Andy Griffith "hometown mayor" and a GOVERNOR! no less of a state that has more cariboo than voters has been chosen the "Denny's GRAND SLAM anchor to the Viagara MCCain/Bush ticket? What a "pill" to have to swallow. Don't worry, it'll be mooseburgers all around, and as to Biden vs. Palin, it will be like a lumberjack (Biden) cutting down yews (Palin)for Christmas in November.
#25 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Weren't you fools complaining about Iraq having a surplus when some of the money was being stolen to help Barry buy a house?
#26 Posted by GoneFishin on August 30, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McCains' move was brilliant!!!
The battlefield has now tilted in his favor no doubt! The key is to make sure the fence sitting dems, independents and rouge republicans get the message that this ticket presents experience and management skills (actually running/making decisions daily for a big state).
A review of our 200 plus history history will show that senators are not the pool to draw candidates from. A significant majority of them have never run anything!!!
Again, a "BRILLIANT" move!!!
#27 Posted by knital on August 30, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#27 Gonefishin: Hey do you suppose Sarah knows Ted Stevens. I heard she was his protege, a loyal Alaskan that in 2006 hoped the "bridge to nowhere" would be built as long as Alaskans had the clout to get it done. You must have missed that one. But, I understand Sarah is under investigation for a "minor" act of corruption regarding a job and a brother-in -law. That must be some "lousy liberal scuttlebutt". Right!
Maybe we should call Juneau - Chicago North, GOP version?
#28 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, McCain hit a home run for the Democrats. Sarah Palin is a nobody. Tell me who of you ravingly happy (for show) Neo Cons ever heard of her.
Well, I'm pro choice, but I'm more pro life than she is. She knew at 3 or 4 months that her potential child would be born with Down Syndrome, but not to worry, she could dump the kid off while she got busy with her own glory things.
Never mind she won't be around enough to see much of that child because she'll be busy getting glory for herself. What a Mother!!!
If she wants to be a big time politician, why does she have so many children and do so at their expense. It's one thing to give them enough of your time in their first few years and another to be gone from day one.
When she chose not to practice birth control, she knew she could have a child even though she was governor and owed a good deal of her time to the people.
And as Vice President or President someone has to suffer, either her little baby or the people of this country whom she's supposed to give of herself and time to serve.
That's the way it is: Those so called pro-life people aren't really pro life, they're anti choice for women. Obviously they don't care much about a baby after they have it, so what's so pro life about that?
It's not the older children that bother me so much, though they too will be deprived a lot of their mother; it's the little baby with Downs Syndrome. I'm pretty much a feminist, but not at the expense of the lives of tiny children.
#29 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#31 Brilliant Knital - That's the sun in your eyes. The last time McCain was on a battlefield, he surrendered. Hopefully, that occasion will not present itself again if the GOP can steal the White House again.
Your "comment" about running a "Big state" is ludicrous. She might as well have been the governor of the Pacific Ocean, there are a lot of fish there to "govern". Oh, I know what you call governing. Those rebates from oil sales. Republicans like that. Why can't we get the same deal, say from the sale of oranges in Florida. They are both commodities. Where is that GOP revenue/tax acumen? Charlie Christ needs to start looking inward instead of off shore to bolster the Bush/Cheney/McCain cartel.
#30 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yea, someone makes a phone call from her office regarding her ex-brother in law and the liberals start calling corruption while Rezko sits in jail, having bought Barry a house and Barry parties with cop killing terrorists.
Can you hear me laughing at your absurdity?
Seriously, how do you justify your thinking?
Because you're not thinking.
You don't know how to think.
Obama is a Chicago politician with ties to cop killers and thieves. But you just want him soooooo badly.
Snork!
#31 Posted by GoneFishin on August 30, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#33 Truthmatters is too logical for conservative "deep thinkers" concerned with principles. Sarah Palin is obviously a "principled" women of 44 with time yet to demonstrate her beliefs and "position". They say it is "cheaper by the dozen", and in the next 8 years of GOP control of the White House, she could feasably reach that number. What a "blessing" for the religious right and the Palins..
#32 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Another thing, she knows nothing, hasn't even much of an opinion on foreign policy details.
She's a die hard right wing fundamentalist christian with a gun in her hand.
Women, I feel should have opportunity and equal pay for equal performance in work, but they have to also know that when they want all those demanding careers, the Presidency being the utmost, their children will suffer. And any woman who thinks way more of herself than her children isn't much in my eyes. And with those values, I don't think she'd be much of a president or V.P either.
I feel the same about men, but, let's face it, even in the animal kingdom, it is the mother who nurtures the little ones until they can fend for themselves.
So, I guess I'm the Conservative, but one who is pro choice.
If it weren't she just had a little downs syndrome baby, and the job weren't so demanding I'd feel differently about her running.
I hope woman vote her down big time. She'd never be where she is if her ilk had gone before her. It wasn't her type, denying woman's rights, that gave her what she has or got her where she is.
#33 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#35 Gonefishin Absurdity huh! There is a legitimate (I hope you know what that word means - hard being a Bushie)investigation ongoing. I didn't make that up! You are the one in denial. Your RNC U-Tube "talking points" are getting more radical and frantic as the election nears. September will be interesting. October will no doubt be absolutely Jay Leno "delightful" and the last days before the election, when the GOP out does itself in an all out effort to steal an election will be criminal.
#34 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Scary this year... too many blank slates...I'll probably make my mind up in the voting booth based on what I hear the day before.
Too important to waste a vote on a third party candidate, unless the Messiah appears... and He hasn't yet.
#35 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 30, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
REMEMBER Liberals/Some Dems/Children - Sticks and stones etc.
Truth/facts always trump "egos and emotions".
The political winds have shifted "big time'. Get use to it!!! Adjust your main sail, set a new course of common sense and reap what you sow. No more hand outs and free lunches (there will be exceptions of course). A strong military so that all the cry babies, whiners and complainers can continue to cry, whine, critize and complaint!
The Republicans are actually going to pull this off!! UNBELIEVABE but TRUE!!!!
Why do Liberals/Some Dems cry, whine, critize and complain... because they have the freedom to do so thanks to our strong, brave and dedicated military!! Their fear of facts, reality, small government, end of hand outs, people who work hard for their money and on and on grips them like handcuffs on one's wrists.
All together now..."Oh say can you see"...come on you can sing it!!! Wear that American flag proudly!! Use the word "GOD"!!!
Only in America and don't you forget it!!!
Have a great day and a better tomorrow!
#36 Posted by knital on August 30, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW the latest poll after McCain's pick of Palin is Obama 49% and McCain 41%. Down, down, down for McCain, choosing a woman who's not for women's rights. And he thinks we women are dumb enough to vote for her. Just shows his opinion of women.
Besides, I want the first woman president someone I can really be proud of who will do a good job, who will stand strong for women's rights as human beings.
And don't you ever talk about Obama's inexperience again. Next to Palin's he looks like an experienced old pro.
Just Imagine her as president. Kind of sends quakes down one's spine. But then again, I guess she couldn't do worse than Bush has done.
I guess it's just that we Americans are looking for more than just a tad better than Bush. Ugh.
GO OBAMA AND BIDEN. I feel much safer in your hands.
#37 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Knital, are you and Inquisitive the same person? The way you use the word "whine" so much I could swear you sound like him because that's his favorite word. In fact he can't say anything without using it. So looks kind of like maybe you're he.
#38 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#48 Knital: You are more delirious than usual. It is understandable. The catastrophic Veep choice by Viagara Johnny has sealed the doom of any hopes of a GOP victory in November.
Then, too, Hurricane Gustav is bearing down on that "evil" New Orleans where all those "degenerate" parades and celebrations take place against the laws of conservative "Christianity" and will probably land right during the GOP convention. It will "tax" (Oh no, hate to use that word) McCain/Bush to avoid drawing a parallel to Katrina and that GOP administrative disastrous failure in leadership. How would Sarah Palin handle this "tsunami" that Knital mentions?
Is Senator Craig ready to skip the airport bathroom and get down to "work"? Will Governor Pawlenty brag about the new bridge in town, a result of GOP recognition of infrastructure problems in our nation? Will Bushie "explain" the Georgia intrusion that precipated a Russian response that has been suggested as a political ploy to influence the presidential election in the USA? Will Cheney credit Halliburton for service to American interests beyond the call of duty? Oh what a wonderful convention! Can't wait!
#39 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What religion does Palin belong to? I don't think I've heard.
Does anyone wonder how Palin will run the country if McCain should die while in office? The thought is enough to scare a person. The Republicans are going from bad to worse.
Obama and Biden must win or this country will be in a greater mess than it is now. Why anyone would want more of the same is hard for me to understand.
#40 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rationalman....Sarah Palin is a Pentacostal Protestant......
#41 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Since Barack is afraid to debate McCain, I wonder if he is afraid to go one on one in basketball with Sarah.
#42 Posted by ChiDem on August 30, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#55 Rejoice: It's "apple pie" all right - right in the face ala mode! When America gets to know more about Palin, they will certainly see the errors of the last 8 years magnified by even more stupidity in proposing leadership for the next 4 years that "offers" an old man and a "hockey mom" to compound the flawed GOP doctrine.
#43 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What's all this concern about oil rigs being damaged in the Gulf? Don't you just close them down and ride out the storm? One would think that there will be some spills or something like that to curtail operations. You don't think there will be some damage to the environment along with some downed rigs - do you? Drill, drill, drill!!!
#44 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#60 Yes, I do> It's called speculation! In a competitive free economy, any oil shortage would be offset by more production from other fields, like from our "friends" in the Middle East, you know Kuwait, Dubai and even Saudi Arabia. That used to work years ago when prices got out of whack or supplies short.
Don't worry though, when Sarah gets in, we will be drilling in Anwar and all that oil along with the Prudhomme "haul" will come down to the lower 48 instead of being shipped to our "friends" in Asia. "Patriotism" will dictate that we take care of our needs despite an "international oil economy".
Do you think that if Boone Pickens had a lot of wind mills in the gulf area, there would be a "SURGE" during a hurricane with surplus "POWER". Just wondering.
#45 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A soccer mom? That is the best they got?
Can ya see her going toe toe toe with an ex KGB Col?
LMAO.
And the neocons are happy?
The bus is gettin closer to creaming them all and they still don't see it coming.
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
And someone please tell the white supremecists to hire a radio station if they want to have any coverage of their ho down in the twin cities.
The rest of the world will be watching Gustav. Who wants to watch reruns of the last eight years with mini me mcsame.
LMAO.
#46 Posted by boulderbilly on August 30, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Veep Sarah has sent a letter seeking contributions from the hard core rank and file. She has stated her experience emphasizing her roll in military affairs as the COMMANDER OF THE ALASKAN NATIONAL GUARD! Look out now! That should send Osama bin Ladin even deeper into his cave. I wonder if she ever attended any "meetings"?
#47 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I heard Sarah Palin believes in Creationism, being an evangelical Christian, and I guess she wants to see it taught in the schools.
I heard on Chris Matthews, Hardball, Chris asked a Republican Operative what he thought of Palin's answer to what she thought about Iraq. She said she had focused much on that war. She hasn't paid much attention. So I guess, since she seems pleased her son is going over there soon, she wouldn't worry because she doesn't know much about it.
Good Grief, how could McCain pick such a duzzy? I guess he's appealing to the Religious Right Wing vote and he thought he'd pick off a few women voters who were disappointed Hillary didn't get the nomination.
Oh, and you know that three a.m. phone call in the White House should she become President, well, if she doesn't start practicing birth control she might be rushing to the hospital to have another baby. Well, how could we be sure. She obviously doesn't believe in contraception, so as I read, sorry I can't remember who said it on the blogs, but it was good, she could have a dozen kids. I mean, who'd have time to be running the country?
She did become pregnant while being Governor, so being in office with those duties doesn't mean much to her.
I guess it's obvious I don't think much of her as a mother, -- or a choice for the highest office in the land.
#48 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, Oldtimer, if Obama voted with fellow Democrats 97% of the time, and I know he voted with Republicans at least once, then he's pretty much an average Democrat in my eyes and not your far out Marxist as you right wingers claim.
Anyway, if you like what Bush has done in the last nearly 8 years, then no wonder you're supporting McCain. You can't recognize really bad governance when you see it.
If only for adding 4 trillion dollars more to our debt which means in all the years before Bush our debt was about 5.5 trillion, but Bush nearly doubled that in his term of office, and he used up all the Social Security FICA that was collected to keep it that low, meaning that Social Security and medicare are in trillions of debt more than they were. Unconscionable.
You can't possible deny how terrible our foreign policy and situation has grown. Now they've made enemies again with Russia wiping our at least 16 years of building up a working relationship.
They can't be out of office soon enough, and McCain/Palin ousted right with them. I never want to see the likes of them again.
#49 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, I want all of you Neo Cons to know you have wrecked our party. How is anyone going to be able to trust us again? We've lost all credibility, even though nothing that this administration did was conservertive or Republican.
When they collaborated with the Religious Right, you thought they were Republican, but that was just strange bedfellows who each had an agenda to win the Presidency.
The Republicans that took the Congress in the 90's under the leadership of Newt Gingrich accomplished some good things for this country. They also were not World Policemen or Nation Builders or spiers on people. They were truly fiscally responsible, and Bill Clinton joined them, and the economy roared.
Other than Clinton bombing Kosovo and Bosnia (which Republicans opposed) and a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and a couple of bombings in Iraq, we weren't in bogged down wars costing us trillions, while we were losing our soldiers right and left.
Even that was too much bombing for me, but next to Bush it looks like peanuts.
So, Maybe our party is dead. I can't see it coming back anytime soon. I hope the Democrats govern wisely because I have to go with them now.
#50 Posted by truthmatters on August 30, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks Canuck. Pentecostals are right wing evangelicals who are against abortion, gay marriage, women's rights, etc. and would like to see a theocracy established in the U.S.
We don't need another born again right wing Christian running our country.
Obama is a liberal God fearing Christian, which is bad enough.
It doesn't look like we will see an end of religion in government for a long time.
Bush has been a born again Christian. I hope we don't get another one. When people talk with God, they do all kinds of weird things.
#51 Posted by rationalman on August 30, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, truth, I used to read your posts with an open mind. However, since you cited Chris "I get a tingly feeling down my leg" Matthews, I've lost my objectivity for you. You're just simply lost.
#52 Posted by almasonlybar on August 30, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If our economy is in such bad shape where is the money coming from to buy all the ipods, and phones. In New York recently people were waiting in line from the wee hours of the morning waiting for the Apple store to open. Bad economy? Don/t think so. 5.5% unemployment,ninety five per cent of Americans are employed. This unemployment number ten years ago would have been absolutely fantastic.
#53 Posted by johnsnare on August 31, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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