lissack, hokerpoke, etc.....after reading all this please tell me that you don't believe that their was some sort of collusion between the board members?????? Who authorized this teacher to travel to Rockford and negotiate for the board? Don't tell me he was doing it on his own time....if you do then I may start taking weekend trips to other superintendents so that I can get their requirements to replace Thompson....p.s. I won't "misplace" that piece of paper :)

Fridkin has an active imagination. The board's secretaries are actively communicating amongst several board members is that a Sunshine violation? No.

Baker violated the terms of his employment. Did the Board with its rush to judgment serve us well by the process they used? No.

Baker is not coming back. I repeat. Baker is not coming back.

Baker is not coming back.

Teach 123 if private citizens organized it and private citizens coordinated amongst themselves its all legal.

The Sunshine law only prohibits elected officials from discussing public business with EACH OTHER not with third parties and not from having third parties talk with them.

Walters did not need AUTHORIZATION to go on a trip. Do you need AUTHORIZATION to go to the mall or to the bathroom? Walters is part of the group who was working to oust Baker. He had every right to make the trip and every right to report his results to any or all school board members.

Teach what special deal did you get from Baker? Why do you so desperately want Ray back? Nelson, Miller etc prove that those who want Ray the most are those whose wrongdoing ray was willing to overlook.

So I ask again, what sin are you committing Teach123 that you want Ray Baker to absolve you of?

Oh Teach I hereby authorize you to travel and interview whomever you like. please write to all of us and report on your results.

well it looks like Dr. Thompson and the Chicky poos should go to Macy's (or Walmart) and get some luggage.. because their days are numbered in Collier..

Looks like he was hired ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!

Doesn't take a HIGHER ED Degree to see the writing on this wall...

The departure of Thompson and the Dixie Chicks would be one of the best things that could happen to Collier Schools..

It is time to clean up this mess... and clean up the Ad Center... Starting with Thompson and then the BOARD..

Teach 123 are you Chatty Kathy in disguise?

Homeboy all that you interpret is wrong. Thompson still has three votes. I repeat Thompson still has three votes.

Baker is history. Get used to it.

Why is anyone surprised by this? Shame on you, Naples Daily News, for your shoddy reporting. You never dug any deeper than Terry Walters. Every time you wanted the "Barron Collier perspective," or a man-in-the-street" perspective, you took the easy route by relying on one of the few teachers who seemed to have the time to attend all those board meetings. Didn't you ever get it?

It looks like Baker is coming back. Probably to stay.

I will remind the NDN readership that just because multiple people all disliked Baker does NOT mean that they colluded in acting to remove him. All it took was RC to make the motion. Abbott and Donovan had tried before to rid the system of Nelson's protector. RC found the excuse and the others followed on board. That is NOT forbidden nor is it illegal nor does it invalidate the Board's vote. Even if Fridkin were to win on Baker's behalf, all that is going to happen is the flow of $$$$ and we know how much Ray likes it when CCPS monies go to his pockets. Baker is history.

Don't take my last post as "I want Baker Back" because I do feel that there was evidence to terminate Baker. But, the board had other optiion that could have been taken like waiting the 2 weeks until Baker's evaluation.. Then, the board should have held a nationwide search. Granted, not many apply for positions in Aug. with school starting.. most people have a position at that time.. But, it would have been the RIGHT thing to do.. NOT participate in "Backdoor" deals... and then face lawsuites like we are dealing with now

Let's be clear. Thompson has 3 votes. Baker does not.

Why just blame the Board? Why not put some of the blame on Baker who refused to do the honorable thing and resign with a severance package?

Was the Board rash? Yes. But its done.

Why did Walters call Dorene McShea? Is she a board member? He called two board members, Calabrese and Donovan, and, oh yeah, Dorene McShea. She's "just a parent, just a concerned parent." Right.

Could it be that he couldn't contact Linda Abbott because that that would make it three board members, a majority in Collier, and therefore that would be a violation of the Great "Sunshine" Law?

McShea and Abbott are "close personal friends," according to one NDN article. You think they talked about this phone call? Hum...

This could be why Abbott was so "torn" at that infamous meeting. Sure a good deal of her act was performance, but I could see real doubt in her eyes at times. Remember the phone call? Who was calling?

"Remember the plan, Linda! Jesus on the cross stick to the plan!"

The sunshine law is a useful tool indeed, but I'd like to see one instance of its successful prosecution. As it remains, it's an abstraction, a feel-good piece of nearly unenforceable legislation.

It sure looks like this Thompson deal was conducted not in the sunshine, but in deep shade.

If only the County Commissioners could do the same thing with his Muddjesty james the First....

sorry idle dreaming

Maybe because there is a right way and a wrong way to do things?

For now Thompson has 3 Votes..

Gov. Crist might like to get a word in on this issue in the near future.. especially after a judge rules on the case..

If the judge rules in favor of Baker.. (which problably will happen) especially if the judge says there was a violation of Sunshine Law..

The Gov. has the obligation to remove any elected official from office if they are found guilty of breaking the law.

If not.. Remember one of the three are up for reelection.. and the VOTERS will make the decision.. Abbott would be foolish to run for reelection after this mess.. be we all know she will.

Maybe Walters called McShea because they are friends and she was interested.

Maybe because she helped pay for the trip (I do not know this just speculating)

Regardless there is NO LAW against Walters calling whomsoever he likes and discussing whatever he pleases.

The law is about elected officials talking/communicating with each other.

The Abbott/ McShea friendship really bothers you pro Baker people. Why?

Maybe they both had a problem with Baker's continual coverups.

"Fridkin also was interested in several phone calls that Walters made in the days following his meeting. The phone calls went to Calabrese, Donovan and Dorene McShea, the mother of a Naples High School student."

Abbott is one of the few voices of reason on the Board.

There was NO Sunshine Violation and the Governor will remove no one.

Baker is gone get used to it.

The LISSACK?????

Thank you Charlie Abbott.

Only Time will tell

Gee BCHS teacher makes phone calls. Where is the problem?

The problem is a simple one. Those who ran this town are losing their grip and do not like it.

To hang on to power they are willing to overlook every form of sin.

For Shame For Shame

Come on, Lissack. Are you Charlie Abbott? If so, given your wife's position on the board, you ought to come out of the closet.

Just what is it you are suggesting about Charlie?

Teachercreature are you Chatty Kathy?

or are you Mrs. Baker?

or perhaps that "guidance secretary" Miller hired to help him find relief during the school day

Actually I'm Chatty Kathy's guilty conscience. Now about them red sox...

None of the above, Lissack, and since I answered your questions, you answer mine. You avoided my question.

For the record my name is Michael Lissack.

Please don't run for the school board.

so teach 123 and teachcreat are you working to rule? Do you assign meaningful homework and remain willing to give your students meaningful input? can your students talk with you outside of assigned hours? are you available to parents? are you helping students with extra-curricular activities?

the right answers can help create respect for your inane support of Ray the cover up master but I suspect the answers are all about you and not about the students

try using your real names and please with your real names to stand behind prove me wrong

until then I am the ONLY one in this forum who uses their real name

Don't run for the school board? Why? Are you afraid of what might say? or are you afraid the public might just like what i have to say

I'm not pro-Baker. I'm anti stupid people in positions of public trust.

Some of the people we've entrusted to handle the education of our children are complete fools, fools with supporters who are nuttier than six stacks of pecan pancakes.

Thompson totally capitalized on this and he's the only winner here. What a snake in the weeds.

Remember Thompson putting holds on the transcripts, which was ruled overturned by the courts (followed by the "mothers lawsuit," which was denied by the courts)? This was Thompson paying lip service to the nut-bag constituency that sneaked him to his post like a thief in the night, to use their language.

Wasn't it a hollow gesture? Didn't he know the courts would rule against him?

I'm sure these people are feeling as used by Thompson as everyone else in the county, with the exception of Abbott, Calabrese and Donovan, as these three are too witless to know they've been had by the Colonel.

As if Thompson really cared about a few overachievers' grades.

Dolts, the lot of ya.

Eco I could not agree more

The Abbot/McShea friendship bothers people? What about the Faerber/Baker friendship? Ray Baker is long gone and the children in this county are better off because of it.

Finally some common sense on this blog!!!

For the record, Lissack, I am retired, and I have no relatives working for the school system. I am not related to Ray Baker, Ron Miller, Ron Miller's lady friends, Curatolo, or anyone else in the Taj or in the schools. And for the record, I think some of those over-achievers and their parents are also getting ready to sue the school system because they think that the withholding of their complete transcripts cost them positions at the top schools. They may not win, but they'll cause a heck of a rhumpus and a heck of a lot of legal bills before they're through.

Ah teachcreat but you will not reveal your real name... so what does that tell us about you?

Lissack:

Baker is not coming back and anyone with a brain knows that. But Thompson's day here are probably destined to be rocky and brief as well.

And I think we can see the handwriting on the wall for your buddy Calabrese as well.

The Board's attorney advised them NOT to proceed in the manner they did and now left the district liable and open to lawsuit. In their hubris and haste they screwed themselves.

If you read the terms of Baker's contract, they clearly violated the process necessary to get rid of Baker.

And your homeboy Thompson had left Dodge at sundown before he faced the music for the same thing as Baker based on the Rockford Newspaper.

It seems pretty obvious that Walters (hungry and ambitious lad that he is) was an intermediary between board members and I do think that Baker has a legal leg to stand on.

The current board and Thompson's grip on their positions are tenuous (that means very shakey in case you don't understand the word moron). And your grip on reality is even more so.

I bet your even now dancing a jig in your undies shouting "Baker's not coming back and what about those Red Sox".

Geesh you're a jerk.

Nice attempt at logic, ford46.

Were Baker and Faerber close personal friends? Did they conspire to oust a sitting superintendent?

As usual, the reasoning ability of these NHS people displayed in these forums confirms that I made a wise choice in sending my kids to private school.

And what does the possibility of that idiotic lawsuit (for those who do not get it you have to be able to prove damages not just have an opinion about maybe the potential for damages -- to prove damages they will need statements from colleges claiming that but for the admission the child would have been admitted -- you'll see such statements on the day when Nelson returns to reclaim his place at the CCPS Board table)have to do with Baker's idiotic lawsuit?

Or are you of the two wrongs equals .... school

Rita is another one hiding behind a fake name.

Yes Eco Baker and Faeber were good friends. they conspired to cover up Faerber molesting a minor on school grounds and during the school day.

It tells you,Lissack, absolutely nothing about me other than I have no vested interest in the present proceedings. You'll just have to take my word for it, just as I take your word that you are not Charlie. I didn't ask you your name; I wouldn't invade that privacy. I only wanted to assure myself that you were not ole Charlie. That you should disclose. Other than that, it's your business.

Can you blame us for not putting our true identity? I'm not sure if I'm working for the state or some organized crime unit! The plot continues to thicken for Tweedle Dumb,Tweedle Dumber, and Miss Indecisive! I've been teaching a long time and I can't remember ever wanting to spend my summers meeting with superintendents from another district.

http://lissack.com/

After finding this and realizing he is a Realtor I finally understand where the illusions of grandeur and his self proclaimed "professional" title come from. Given the current real estate market I'm sure you have plenty of time to post more garbage. Do us a favor and get a real job and stop posting.

PS: Vote Ron Paul.

Rita if Walters decided to play intermediary on his own its all legal

if Walters played intermediary at the direction of anyone other then a School Board member its all legal

reveal your name and try reading the law not just the poor information found here in the NDN (never dependable nonsense)

Sanity

being a realtor is an honorable profession

posting in blogs behind fake names is cowardace

The (Drama Queen) Lissack:

You mentioned in a previous post that Baker should have resigned and took his severance package. Generally, you don't get a severance package if you resign. You do get a severance package if you are let go or your job is downsized and the reason isn't due to misconduct.

If you don't know that - not terribly bright. Don't run for school board and I hope you didn't teach business or business law.

You really don't know your rear end from a hole in the ground on these issues and you're proving it in your post.

Rita the board offered him a severance package to resign

Rita is afraid to tell who she/he really is. Why?

Are you Mrs Baker or Chatty Kathy or perhaps you are one of Miller's biker chicks?

Or maybe you were a Nelson supporter.

"if Walters played intermediary at the direction of anyone other then a School Board member its all legal"

Even, Lissack, if that anyone is a close personal friend to a board member?

It might be legal, but boy is it underhanded and cheap.

Shame on you all. May the feces of a million camels fall upon you!

You people have great hindsight. It's too bad you weren't around to offer your great foresight. Baker never liked Faerber, but he had to work with him, just as we all did. We all thought he was wierd, but wierd is not something you can take to the State Attorney. Somebody has to come forward. Even the kid's own father, who was Nelson's good buddy, said he did not know. What were the rest of us to think? It's wonderful to make accusations in hindsight. Now for you, Lissack, I must say that I have had many disagreements with Ray Baker, and I don't think he was that great of a superintendent, but we live in a country of laws and contracts, and there is a quite a bit of evidence (enough for a full investigation) that this present board followed neither the law nor the contract.

Yes Eco even if it was the spouse of a board member its not underhanded or cheap its called planning

But thanks for the wishes for fertilizer my garden will look great oh but it needs water can your next curse involve rain?

TheLissack,

Sorry but Realtors are as bad as used car salesmen and that's an insult to them.

Teachcreat who still not reveal his/her name okay so the present board might have not followed the contract so what?

Baker can sue for damages so what?

Thompson still has 3 votes. The Board is still the Board WE ELECTED and there is NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY LAWS WERE BROKEN BY THE SCHOOL BOARD one cannot say the same for Baker

Okay Mr. Lissack....You're right there are many loop holes in the law, so it is very possible that your friends could get away with what they have done.....BUT everyone can see exactly what has gone on here!!!! Yes, even you......

Sanity

you owe the 2% of the citizens of this county who are realtors an apology realtors perform a valued service and many are quite honorable people

you will not reveal your name but you through around insults ... are you that insecure?

I hereby declare victory and am retiring for the evening. Thank you all for proving my points.

I hate to agree with Lissack on this but its true.

Baker has no case if he cannot prove the board violated Sunshine laws. More than likely the board will settle and end this.

TheLissack,

I just honestly do not want one of you crazy out of work realtors to visit me. Plain and simple.

I have always loved the saying that Revenge is best served Cold. Lissack or whatever the hell you call yourself: I haven't nor will I read 90% of the dribble you have overloaded this blog with. You are the classic example of the dumb rear 3 stooges + Charlie and of course Denny....refused to ackowledge right from wrong, make the rules up as you go to suit your own agenda, and deny you are all pathetic small town crooks until you are cuffed and taken away.

Go Fridkin. It must feel like a Friday night fish fry, but you need an extra large pot to put all the carp in. Bye Bye Charlie/Linda, King Crooked, High School Drop Out Steve and best of all Dumb rear Denny!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now I'm supposedly one of Miller's biker chicks. Is that how you respond when you're shot down??

Maybe you should respond to the content of people's blogs instead of worry about who they are or aren't.

That's what will give you credibility instead of say "What about those Red Sox" like a drooling idiot.

I'm a woman, one of my names really is Rita and I used to work at a law firm. That's all you really have to know.

Lissack:
WHAT is your obsession with people revealing their real names?
Have you NO life except your keyboard?
For the sake of mankind, LET IT GO!!!
Do something beneficial with your life.
I cant believe I have been busy doing constructive things all evening, came back and just checked the paper, and you have already posted 28 blogs!!!!!! and this article wasnt even on the web for three hours.
Sad sad life.
Everyone else needs to stop feeding him fuel, you can't force someone to listen to reason.
STUPID PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE STUPID!!!
So, let's all ignore his rants, and hope he finds a more meaningful hobby...SOON!!!
The man knows nothing, and continually strives to prove it. You succeeded Lissack, now go take your meds!

"Teachcreat who still not reveal his/her name okay so the present board might have not followed the contract so what?

Baker can sue for damages so what?

Thompson still has 3 votes."

Lissack, even School Boards (3 votes or not) have to follow laws and contracts, and there is enough here for the governor or his designates to come in and investigate, especially since this board has already been cautioned by the Southern Accreditation people.

Also, Lissack, I am sorry about the real estate crunch. Regardless of how very, very much I disagree with your comments, I don't wish you economic ills. That could happen to any of us.

Sanity:

I think there's a good indication that the board used an intermediary to get their messages across.

And while NDN hasn't made all the stipulations of Baker's contract known to us, I think it's a safe bet that they didn't honor their contract with Baker in the manner in which they fired him. That DOES give him some legal leg to stand on.

He might be able to sue them for wrongful termination.

Sheenabella, I agree. Have a peaceful sleep, everyone.

Baker doesn't want to come back, he just wants to get paid for the rest of his contract, and he will be paid.
Mr. Lissack refuses to see what he doesn't want to see, but is is quite obvious that the odious three, Abbott Calabrese and Donovan put their own perverse agendas before their duties as School Board members.
Mrs. Abbot should have been removed from the Board when it was revealed that she had signed the Declaration for the Separation of School and State, a
collection of evildoers who wish to privatize for profit the public schools under the cover of religion and family values.
Calabrese is just an overbearing stumblebum and Donovan shows a strong proclivity for dictatorial powers, no doubt he's a big fan of The Bush Thing and casts an admiring glance at Il Duce, Rudy Giuliani...

And Sheenabella and teachercreature:

Good points and you're right.

Ecoterror:

I think you're awesome.

Oh, dear, greathornedlizard, you're back, and I may just have to stick around to read what you post.

Abbott and Faerber were the best of buds - talk about a pair - Crazy Charlie, Looney Linda and Fairy Faerber - come on people - doesn't anyone remember - Baker tolerated this bumbling group of boneheads - He did the best he could with the deck he was dealt........ Looney Linda's goal was to dismantle the current system - and she has almost achieved her goal - Maybe we can salvage something before the system implodes.......thank you thompson - and your two right appendages - hauty hayes and gross gemmill........

The Truth all that matters is the truth and it is finally coming to the light of day!

TheLissack is very out of line to suggest Ray Baker was a friend of Nelson Faerber in some nefarious way. He was an employee of CCPS and had to deal with Nelson as a board member. The suggestion that he covered up for him is terrible and simply inaccurate. Nelson was a bully and used his power in an arrogant manner. Think how many years of rumors and speculation it took before the truth finally came out. Speculation is not the same as fact. It's unfortunate and shameful how much suffering Nelson caused but none of it was Ray Baker's fault.
This court case is far from over and each day it is likely that more ethical lapses are going to be exposed. It is truly an embarrassment to all that care about this community.
There are people in education that should not be there the same as there are incompetent judges, doctors, realtors, police officers, etc. For the most part, anyone who has spent any time at all in a school building knows that the vast majority of employees are incredibly caring, hardworking people trying to do a good job. It's often thankless and frustrating but those that stay with it know the true reward of seeing a life that is changed. Every one of us can remember a teacher(s) that impacted our lives in a positive manner. We probably also remember a couple poor ones but by far the positive ones changed our lives the most.
It is frustrating to see the rumors and misinformation that is blogged. It is even more disheartening to realize that it is with the intent to harm people for self-serving reasons.

A lot of talk here about Nelson Faerber.

I don't approve of NF's love life, but...

Where Nelson Faerber molested one student, Abbott, Calabrese and Donovan have molested thousands of students. Maybe not sexually, but they've molested every student in this district intellectually. It's so flagrantly obvious that these three don't care at all about the kids. All they care about are petty personal vendettas. Not only have they molested every student in the district, but they've also molested every taxpayer. How much will this cost us once all the lawyer bills are paid and all the lucrative contracts are settled?

These three snots should take a cue from Mr. Faerber and do the honorable thing, suicide. Since these three didn't sexually molest I won't suggest actual suicide. Political suicide will suffice. Come clean. Tell the truth. Resign your seats.

Nelson would be proud.

Although Mr. Walters does not possess the piece of paper, Dr. Thompson should be be able to remember what he wrote. I would like to know what was written on it.

If the administrators and school board act like this, no wonder you have problems with kids not respecting authority.

There were definite violations of the Sunshine Laws here. I'm not saying Baker was perfect, but the way he was ousted was an assassination.

Thank goodness my kids are grown and don't have to go to high school here.

Ecoterror:

Your suggestions for the board members is so offensive that I'm glad not to have to deal with people of your low caliber on a daily basis! I don't know what sick and twisted world you live in (maybe one from a video game) but you have some deep, underlying issues you should address - quickly. No matter your opinion of some's actions or beliefs, that is NO grounds to suggest they take the "honorable" way out of life. I deal in the business of life and death - and it's not funny, not even remotely. Keep your political hatred clean and reasonable. I respect your difference of opinion but obtain some class!

I will not reveal my name as we tell the children that we teach, and our own children: do not give personal information out on the web as there are crazies out in this world. Not because I'm being a coward. Because I am practicing what I preach.

Oh, and for the comment long ago about being for parents outside of school hours and all of that: do you pay me for that? Nope. You pay me for 7:40-3:10. And that's it. And yes, it is about the students and parents. I will give them 110% during my contracted hours. After that, I will do what benefits my OWN children and family, and after 3:10- it is their time. Time to help my own children with homework and their activities. Time to be a wife. Time to be a mother. Oh, time to be me.

And as a parent, please Mr. Thompson, don't turn your back to parents as they speak. It is very rude, ignorant, disrespectful, unprofessional AND insulting.

A realtor, huh? A 40 hour class and you're a professional now right? No wonder you're a babbling idiot, go back to whatever yankee hole you came from.....

Those who hide behind false names are cowards thus far I am still the only one here who will stand behind my opinions.

Those who dislike the actions of the majority of the School Board have a simple choice -- go vote for others or run yourself. The majority of the County elected them to use their own judgment and they do not answer to any one except the voters who can indicate their disagreement by voting them out.

I'm glad NDN has given you a place to vent because that is all you are doing is venting.

To the pro-Baker people: you lost.
To the pro-Nelson people: please go get help.
To the work to rule people: you will continue to pay for your selfishness and the damage you do or condone being done to our school children is a sin
To the anti-Thompson people: he is here to stay get used to it.
To the "this was a bad process" people: you are right but it was done work to keep it from repeating

If you want change stand up tell the world who you are and work for change. If you will not do this then your opinion is worth squat.

Join me in my planned campaign for County Commission in 2010.

try reading this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/mag...

or this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Vo...

or this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vYO6...

and this:

http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/m...

and this:

http://www.andylurie.com/home/archive...

and finally:

http://searchwarp.com/swa285716.htm

and

http://www.timcourtney.net/2007/07/28...

End of lesson

After you have completed the readings please send your five page essays to Jeff Lytle at the NDN

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Abbott and Faerber were the best of buds - talk about a pair - Crazy Charlie, Looney Linda and Fairy Faerber - come on people - doesn't anyone remember - Baker tolerated this bumbling group of boneheads - He did the best he could with the deck he was dealt........ Looney Linda's goal was to dismantle the current system - and she has almost achieved her goal - Maybe we can salvage something before the system implodes.......thank you thompson - and your two right appendages - hauty hayes and gross gemmill........

Finally, Ive reached the end of the Lissak tirade. Hope you all have a nice day.

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Every public organization in this county practices this brand of "inbred" politics - time for change! Kudos to Ray Baker for standing up and shining a light...innocent people don't walk away...guilty people do!

Michael Lissack for Collier County Commish!

His business management skills will be an asset
to Collier County.

Is Thompson scheduled to be deposed?

Why are the depositions being reported in the newspaper before all have been deposed? Isn't it much easier for collusion when each can see what the others have stated?

I watched the day the three school board members fired Baker. It was a spectacle. The outside evaluators were propped up to make their presentation about whether or not there were actual violations of the law in order to set up the firing of Baker. But remarkably, the evaluators pointed out that how the district handled the naming of courses matter was about as evil as going over the speed limit. The evaluators appeared stunned as they realized that they were being used to manipulate the public for the devious goals of the three board members.

What is most disturbing to me is that a disgruntled teacher Walters and a disgruntled parent McShea were able to control the weak minded three on the board and stage-manage the coup.

Based on the deposition reported here, Abbott, Calabrese, and Donovan appear to be fools who were following the fringe lunatics and in so doing have nearly destroyed the entire community’s educational system. They have certainly destroyed any respect for the School Board and Thompson's reputation is already undermined. They should be removed for incompetence if not for violations of the ethics laws. That they aided and abetted the illegal removal of a sitting Superintendent will cost the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars because they violated his contract against the advice of their own counsel. They also cost us millions more in salaries for the staffing requirements Thompson demanded in addition to the staff salaries of contracted employees whom they displaced and who must remain on staff.

The ineptitude of Donovan, Abbott and Calabrese is not representative of what the citizens of Collier County deserve. We deserve better. Our children deserve better.

I am sure when this Lissack character is running for commissioner, he won't mind folks making public all of his posts on these blogs. If only to show the general public the true character of this guy. I for one hope lissack keeps posting, as it is SURE to keep him from ever getting elected to anything.

I totally agree, and that's what I stated in previous posts as well conchsoup. Well stated!

I fully understand that if a course was listed as AP or Honors and yet didn't fit the state criteria that there might be a legitimate gripe with Baker, but. . .

I do have a question and perhaps an educator can answer it for me so forgive my ignorance on this issue. But about the fudging of grades and giving credit to students that didn't earn it etc. The record keeping of grades is generally a function of a school's guidance department is it not? How or why would an superintendent even know if an individual student's grade was changed or extra credit given?

When I originally found out about this board's gripe with Baker, it made me wonder about this.

Can anyone give me a clear cut answer on this issue? I'm curious.

This whole thing speaks volumes to character and integrity issues for Thompson. These were all the things we were told he had being an Army man. I don't see much honor or integrity in what he did to get this job and has probably lost a lot of credibility in the community's eyes as all this info comes out.

All involved in this scandal need to be fired!!!

How can we trust them.

I am very dissapointed with the School Board,Superintendent Thompson and the Barron Collier teacher. It was just a conspiracy against Baker and others they didn't like.

This makes me sick.

Rita

The CCPS was asked to investigate the grades/credit matter. baker's office issued a report stating "no problem"

well it was a problem

that is known as a whitewash

baker's office issued the statements so by definition baker's office knew about the issue

air

a board majority of 3 has the RIGHT to have the superintendent they desire

they even had the right to fire Baker

markcb

I am standing behind all of my posts so please save them to 2010 (the NDN has a habit of deleting things)

I am sure you will want to reprint them for me.

But please remember to tell me what you spend since that will count as a political contribution.

Look at that my first 2010 contribution. Thanks

NDN,
PLEASE BAS THE LISSACK. HE IS USING YOUR FORUM TO ADVERTISE. PLEASE NOTE HOW MANY POSTS HE HAS WRITTEN WITH HIS NAME IN THE WEBSITES.
DO THE RIGHT THING.

Sheenabella

That is how one links to items posted on a server.

And my dear it was you posted my personal web site yesterday

NOW I SEE WHY lISSACK SIGNED OFF EARLY LAST NIGHT. hE HAD TO GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP SO HE COUKLD GET UP BRIGHT AND EARLY AND CONTINUE HIS RANTING AND RAVING,
GOOD LORD, IS THERE NO END TO YOUR BLOGGING????
WHAT A WASTE OF A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

Strange how the anonymous cowards hate it when people who disagree with them keep posting. It spoils their mutual love fest.

Lissack:

Someone that's really in education on the K-12 level. As usual, you didn't real answer the question.

I asked for someone in education to tell me if in fact the guidance departments are primarily in charge of grades and/or changing grades. Because if guidance tells Baker all is well and is the first and primary recorder of the grades - Baker might have not been the issue if he trusted what his departments were telling him after they investigated the issue. That was the heart of the question. What role did the guidance departments play in changing of grades and credits? When transcripts are issued - it's from the school, not the administration offices.

You really didn't answer the question, but in your overbearing, "I have all the answers", bullying, "Doesn't play well with others", full of yourself way - you just had to pipe in.

I doubt you'd win an election if people know how poorly you deal with others you consider below your station in life.

I have a friend that's a promient research biologist that works at Yale. Wonderful man that could intellectually blow you out of the water. Another retired physicist from Stanford - both men are far above you in accomplishment and intelligence, yet they don't display half the hubris you do.

As I previous stated, I wouldn't elect you to clean my cat's litterbox. You should be ashamed at the bullying, rudeness and evasiveness of your blogs.

Now could an actual educator answer my question?

I should be ashamed at standing up for my own opinions and not hiding behind anonymity?

I should be ashamed for not agreeing with the old school powers that be who make up the "bring baker back" coalition -- thats really what you mean.

What is evasive, rude and bullying is all of you who hide behind screen names to spit out your venom.

see

http://searchwarp.com/swa285716.htm

http://www.andylurie.com/home/archive...

and finally:

http://www.timcourtney.net/2007/07/28...