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Preparations for president’s visit obvious to some

In his Port Royal mansion, Naples philanthropist Jack Donahue will host President George W. Bush during a private fund-raising lunch benefiting Florida's Republican congressional delegation on Friday.

DAVID ALBERS / Staff

In his Port Royal mansion, Naples philanthropist Jack Donahue will host President George W. Bush during a private fund-raising lunch benefiting Florida's Republican congressional delegation on Friday.

It was Wednesday afternoon that Rick LaRosa first noticed the military helicopters hovering on the south end of Gordon Drive.

Shortly thereafter, the black Chevy Suburbans and the men in dark suits showed up, followed by about a dozen Collier County Sheriff’s Office motorcycles and cruisers, said LaRosa, who manages two properties in the 4000 block of Gordon Drive.

A few miles north, a small crowd gathered to watch helicopters touch down briefly outside Gulfview Middle School on Sixth Street South.

Local and federal authorities kept tight-lipped all week about their preparations for President George W. Bush’s planned visit to Naples Friday, but the signs of those preparations were evident to those who knew where to look.

For instance, a big, black armored truck was seen driving down Gordon Drive on Thursday afternoon.

After touring flood-ravaged Iowa on Thursday, Bush is jetting in Friday for the private Florida Victory Committee luncheon to benefit Florida’s Republican congressional delegation. The luncheon is being hosted by Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, R-Miami, and Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Miami.

The congressmen are brothers, with Mario Diaz-Balart representing eastern Collier County.

This will be Bush’s second visit to Naples. His first was in April 2004, when he attended a $25,000-a-plate fundraising lunch at the Port Royal home of Jack Donahue, a prominent Naples philanthropist.

That event raised $2.9 million, according to a 2004 Daily News report.

On Thursday afternoon, a large, white tent was seen on Donahue’s lawn, as was the aforementioned armored truck. A man in a dark suit, who claimed to be an agent of the U.S. Secret Service, asked a Daily News reporter to leave Donahue’s private property.

Down the road, LaRosa was washing a blue BMW.

“Secret Service has been down here since (Wednesday),” LaRosa said. “Nobody has talked to us. Nobody has told us when we can come and go. Nothing at all.”

The Collier County Sheriff’s Office declined to comment on Bush’s visit. Naples police reported that they have been communicating with the Secret Service, and have an action plan supporting the agency’s needs, Naples police spokesman Tom Weschler said.

“We’re strictly supportive in the perimeter of the detail,” Weschler said.

The Naples fire department is staging a fire truck at the site where Bush’s helicopter is landing, Fire Chief Jim McEvoy said. The department will also keep a battalion chief stationed at a command post along with other local and federal agencies, and will keep a hazardous materials specialist on duty.

“That’s the only real assignment we have,” McEvoy said. “Our Fire Station 1 is in close enough range where emergency medical response and our fire response will be dispatched out of there. We don’t have to be at the site with them.”

The NCH Healthcare System will be prepared should the need for its services arise, spokeswoman Debbie Curry said. Collier County Emergency Management has also been communicating with the Secret Service, and will have emergency medical service resources available.

“We’re all poised in the recognition that there’s a higher threat,” Emergency Management Coordinator Rick Zyvoloski said.

When Bush lands in Southwest Florida on Friday, his schedule has him greeting 18-year-old Josh Kelchner of Fort Myers, a volunteer with Voices for Kids of Southwest Florida, the Children’s Home Society of Florida and the McGregor Baptist Church.

Bush will present Kelchner with the President’s Volunteer Service Award, which was created after his call for increased volunteer service in his 2002 State of the Union Address.

“It’s an amazing opportunity to shake hands with the leader of our country,” Kelchner said Thursday. “I’m thinking to ask if I can go on Air Force One.”

When Bush visited Naples in 2004, he brought an entourage of military helicopters, security boats and a lights-flashing motorcade. One Gordon Drive family put a banner and yellow ribbon along the side of the road that read “Welcome, Mr. President.”

A large batch of protesters also gathered on Collier Boulevard in 2004. One protester yelled “Bush is the second Hitler” when the motorcade passed by.

Bush’s 2004 trip also featured a stop at the Rookery Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve and an unscheduled detour to St. Ann Catholic School in Naples. The trip blocked off several roads, including Airport-Pulling Road, U.S. 41 East, Goodlette-Frank Road and Golden Gate Parkway.

In 2004, Bush was the first sitting president to visit Collier County since Harry Truman opened Everglades National Park in 1947.

Though LaRosa said he’s had to make some changes to his schedule in preparation for Bush’s visit, he said it’s exciting that the president is coming to Naples again.

“Do you think I’m going to get to meet him?” LaRosa joked. “I don’t think he’s going to stop by here.”

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So how much of Port Royal's beach will be inaccesible while he is here?

#1 Posted by sheenabella on June 19, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Regarding these preparations-

Will there be a "Mission Accomplished" banner on display?

And how far up the Gordon River can an aircraft carrier go?

#2 Posted by leftubehind on June 19, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope a couple illegals wash ashore in front of the house. Bush would probably put them to work in the kitchen or help with the clean-up. LOL

#3 Posted by naplesjeff on June 20, 2008 at 12:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Almighty God our FATHER bless President George Bush, and the United States of America, eternally! Well done Sir in my opinion. Welcome to Naples!

Mark J. Chermside
Naples Resident

#4 Posted by mchermside on June 20, 2008 at 3:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would say your almighty god has already blessed your Mr. Bush. How else to explain his curious and otherwise unexplainable ascendancy to a position that defied not only the will of the people, but simple logic.

How's the holy real estate thing going, Naples Resident?

#5 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 4:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not a good day to visit the beach in Naples.

#6 Posted by suntan on June 20, 2008 at 5:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Take him on a tour of Golden Gate.

#7 Posted by Native on June 20, 2008 at 5:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dixielee:

Get over your self-loathing and we can discuss the facts of the 2000 Florida election results.

Most of the Jews in Dade and Broward did NOT intend to vote for Pat Buchanan.

Most of the names stricken from voter registration rolls by the GOP contractor working under Katherine Harris were not REALLY felons.

Taking the time to get an accurate vote would have been consistent with a participatory democracy. Sending yuppie goons to protest the recount is strictly out of Karl Rove's playbook and had nothing to do with ensuring the wishes of the people were followed.

And, incidentally, by what measures do you find George Bush worth defending at this point?

Finally, let me say publicly how honored I am to be called an idiot by you. If you really wanted to insult me, you would have accused me of sharing the same simplistic impressions you confuse with thoughts.

#8 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Re #5 Naples Resident:

Your Almighty God & FATHER is neither!

To allow an individual to become the leader of the greatest nation through cheating, stealing, lying, and and deception to its citizens - plus to send thousands of his own soldier citizens to their deaths through cheating, stealing, lying, and and deception to its citizens - in addition to sending tens of thousands of innocent citizens of a sovereign nation to their deaths through cheating, stealing, lying, and and deception to its citizens is beyond belief.

In fact it is one of the most fractured fairy tales ever told.

Dangerously Incompetent.
Worst. President. Ever.

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At least in Vietnam, Bush had an exit strategy.

A Village in Texas is missing its Idiot

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#9 Posted by bicoastal on June 20, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Give him a break. There are so few places Mr. B. can go to collect his gratuities for services rendered.

Too bad the other Mr. Donahue was silenced, won't be there, cannot overcome the conspiracy to disenfranchise his voice for sanity. Maybe he'll rise again when Barack takes over?

Meanwhile, don't begrudge Mr. B's little collection of funds. Maybe he'll donate 1% to our CCPS custodians' fund?

#10 Posted by dwyerj1 on June 20, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Remember this is luncheon is for 2 notorious idiots Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, R-Miami, and Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Miami. these two pieces of bush's cronies have been pushing amnesty garbage all thru there terms. they support out sourcing jobs, La Raza, no border fence, amnesty for 20 million illegals, unlimited HB-1 visa's.
these 2 are the real traitors of this country, are they the product of an once illegals family?
these 2 true village idiots must be voted out.

#11 Posted by grouper25 on June 20, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go home Bush. 4,100 for what? You are one of the worst things ever to happen to this country and we will be paying for many years to heal and gain the respect our great nation so deserves. I'm so glad you brought peace, stability and democracy to the Middle East. Maybe by making Iraq the #1 arms buyer (taker) from the US, we will empower a later dictator to start a war to make this one seem like a practice run. Anyone who thinks a non-muslim nation is going to occupy a country in the Middle East and spread pro-western idealogy to nearby nations needs to study Middle East history the past two thousand years. Go home Bush.

#12 Posted by flahill on June 20, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amazing to think people are still upset over a president who was elected. You may not have voted for him but the majority did. Oh I cant wait for someone to tell me Gore would've done a better job!

#13 Posted by trehuger on June 20, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bicoastal, There for a minute, I thought you were talking about Clinton (MR) :)

#14 Posted by ladybug on June 20, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He wasn't elected. He was appointed by the Supreme Court, which ruled against a full and proper recount of the Florida ballots.

Al Gore won the popular vote. Only the irregularities in the Florida vote kept him from winning the electoral college vote as well.

Not sour grapes. Just facts.

Although the Bush-enablers have a curious and determined propensity for ignoring those in pursuit of their ideological ends. Consider, for example, how all the excuses for invading Iraq have been tried and discarded over time. Now, with news that the original Iraq oil interests are returning to that country for the first time since 1972, a more plausible explanation comes to light.

And, on a different note, since when did Jack Donahue become a "philantrophist?" I can think of several more accurate and meaningful descriptions. A person could de-sandspur all of Florida more easily than the NDN could lose its pro-wealth bias.

#15 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gore would have been better, every department that Bush is over is in crap mode, any local town mayor could have done a better job. problem with alot of you is you stick to party lines instead of the person.
If al Gore was running today I wouldn't cast a vote for him, but knowing what a piece of garbage Bush is today you mean to tell me you still vote Bush in? now thats the testimony of a true idiot.

#16 Posted by grouper25 on June 20, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And next you liberals are going to tell us what great presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson turned out to be.

#17 Posted by Sunshineraider on June 20, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's true Bush is only partly to blame for the international economic and foreign policy disasters sweeping the planet, the real culprits are the ones who voted for him.

#18 Posted by greathornedlizard on June 20, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Elnuestros: Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries. How did that work out for her? Hypocrite....

#19 Posted by Philly on June 20, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Elnuestros: Obama a change candidate? Back in November he pledged to go with public financing only. Now he changes his mind? Seems like the same old, same old..... Doesn't matter if you are Rep. or Dem., they all lie, cheat, steal to keep their jobs and most have no regard for the common citizen. Until we decide that term limits should be in place for all politicians (Senators and Congress), Washington will still be the same. One man won't change a thing....

#20 Posted by Philly on June 20, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The US presidency is job I would not wish on my worst enemy. No matter how good of a president you are you can never make everyone happy and content. From presidents like Carter who had a genius level IQ to presidents like W Bush whom are a mere step above retardation you just cannot win as president.

#21 Posted by Jadip811 on June 20, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It appears people wish to change the "facts". Then come up with other stories to justify their stories. The Supreme Court did not appoint President Bush. They ruled that the "idiots" who wanted a recount wanted a selective recount of one county, maybe more but definately not the entire state. Gore & Co. said no way.
Every independent recount after the fact said George Bush won Florida.
Get over it.

#22 Posted by DinNaples on June 20, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama will bring change, your taxes will never be the same. How much do i trust obama? I trust george Bush more and Bush is with out a doubt the worst president in the history of this country.
His wife has never been proud to be an american till hubby ran for prez?, his 20 year affiliation with pastor wright alone scares me.
Obama keeps talking change yet he can't even tell you what he's gonna do but he's gonna change it and all these blind fools keep following him to the koolaid pitcher.

#23 Posted by grouper25 on June 20, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Grouper: Well said. I'm willing to listen to what Obama has to say. The problem is, he isn't saying anything specific. That worries me. For all who say it can't get worse than Pres Bush, you can't make that claim if you aren't getting specifics about policies / plans. It's all talk, from both sides, until real plans are laid out. But one thing is sure, Obama will increase taxes...no ifs, ands or buts.

#24 Posted by Philly on June 20, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These blogs are the same ole same ole day in and day out...Instead of jacking your jaw lets see one of you come up with a plan to get back to where we were after "WW11 the war to end all wars"!!! REMEMBER?
Back to "WE THE PEOPLE" Mutiny comes to mind.
I have had enough, how about you?
Take America Back and deport the intruders, and build an electric bobwire fence completely around the border. If they come back in illegaly we can shoot them.
Sound to tough well nice isn't working is it?
Did you see the terrorists they arrested the other day in Ohio, and Atlanta. Why give them time? They are here already, and not to go to Disney world.

#25 Posted by pippin on June 20, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oh please deliver me from Bush and his rampant stupidity....I cant wait for January when he crawls back into his texas hole..how proud his father must be of him...LOL

#26 Posted by coolkraft on June 20, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some folks here need to start showing some respect for our President, even if you don't like the personality...at least show some respect for the office.

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The Instapundit is exactly right about this. It has to do with an unreasoning hatred of Preident Bush, or as Charles Krauthammer put it in his definition of Bush Derangement Syndrome:

"the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency -- nay -- the very existence of George W. Bush."
What is going on here--I mean, besides the usual opportunist agenda of the Leftist/Socialist/Communist remnants of the last century? I have discussed this issue several times, but the dynamics bear repeating because the lies keep getting repeated; and so the hysteria continues.

The psychology of some of the Bush Haters is pretty cut and dried. They hate Bush because he stands between them and the implementation of their collectivist "utopian" vision. I have no time to waste on them, except to note that their intentions are deliberately and decidedly malevolent toward this country. They want it to fail at anything and everything it does and they openly cheer for the barbarians at the gate.

They are indistinguishable from the barbarians we are actively fighting, with the only difference being that they have different ideas about which group of thugs will be in charge of the "utopia". They prefer themselves--a more secularly-oriented set of thugs--to rule.

But what about the average person on the street who has, or has come to have a visceral hatred of President Bush? Perhaps they simply didn't vote for him in 2000, believing the media propaganda or caricature of his intellect and capabilities; or perhaps they simply didn't like him because he was from the opposition party, or a Texan. or any other number of normal reasons.

It seems to me that the Democrats and the Left have used their continuous propaganda well, but there is a also a strong personal psychological factor involved in being able to convince normally sane people that the source of all evil in the world is George W. Bush.

#27 Posted by Ruger on June 20, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Liberals will never answer a direct question and never have a solution.They stand for nothing and fall for everything.Gas has doubled since they have been in control and it's Bush"s fault.These people want socialism and change our way of life.There was a time it was God,Family and Country.Not to a liberal.Look at what they stand for--watch some of these tv programs.Liberals control that too.Fear Factor was the number one show in the country for two years.That's how sick these people are.The number one song had the f word in it 36 times and get's our top award.losers all of them!!

#28 Posted by waldini202 on June 20, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

From reading these posts I can see that Mr. Bush is actually a lot smarter than those who voted for and continue to defend him.

#29 Posted by greathornedlizard on June 20, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Give me the name of a great president within the last 30 years! In my opinion, there isn't one, Dem or Rep, that was great. It is not just 1 man that decides everything, but yet we are ready to blame. What makes anyone think that things would have been different on 911 if it was Bush. What makes anyone think things wouldn't be worse, but better? They decided to attack us long before Bush became President. Government, as a whole, is to blame.

#30 Posted by ladybug on June 20, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand that GW insists on having his picture taken at the luncheon on a pony while holding a red balloon.

They're scrambling to find a pony as we speak.

#31 Posted by GeorgeGlass on June 20, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

waldini202:

Watch what you say about that f word. You wouldn't be here without it.

Lucky us.

#32 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't name a great president in the last 30 years but I can say we've witnessed the worst president in the history of this country in Bush.now that alone says it all. 20 million illegals under bush, tainted everything from china and abroad, the FDA is in the worst shape ever in the history of this country( that you can't blame on congress. The 20 million illegals congress is also to blame.
our ports are wide open because of Bush.
Bush trying to make it possible for open borders with mexico, our debt is the highest in the history of this country, and the list goes on.

#33 Posted by grouper25 on June 20, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know most of the bloggers here have trouble remembering what they ate for breakfast but just to set the record straight, Gore never asked for a full recount in 2000...only in four democratic counties. And Bush likely would have won the partial recount, according to analysis conducted by several news organizations...and no amount of revisionism can change that fact. Here's a link to the Annenberg Center for Public Policy web site that explains it all:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck...

#34 Posted by BobbyBacala on June 20, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Philly:

Point 1: I never mentioned Obama, so I really don't feel compelled to defend him.

Point 2: Since you have seen fit to perpetuate the nonsense that Obama "committed" to public financing, please cite some proof of your contention.

Warning, there's nuance involved, and that usually requires the ability to read for comprehension. Those allergic to such activities typically choose Fox, although the Disney Channel's Charlie Gibson has been spreading the "flip flop" line as well.

And why "conservatives" who are against "big government" have a problem with someone who develops a grassroots fund-raising program that generates more than 20 million dollars a month at an average donation of less than $100 as an alternative to the 527-tainted "public financing" scheme McCain has exploited to stay in the race is beyond me.

As is much else that pseudo-conservatives seem to hold dear.

You guys are a walking, talking example of what this country would have looked like had the Confederacy succeeded. Jefferson Davis, however, was smarter than Bush.

The bottom line on Bush: He's just the brand, like Aunt Jemima or Mr. Clean or Mr. Whipple. The real "brains" is the unholy braintrust personified by Cheny/Delay/Abramoff/Norquist/Reed and others whose intent is to create a corporate-run state that favors a very few fortunate folks at the top and dooms the vast majority to a banal, grinding subsistence not unlike that experienced by indentured servants prior to the establishment of the United States.

If they didn't hate America so much, why else would they be working so hard to destroy the Constitution and the very safeguards that have protected it for more than 200 years?

And who, besides them, has benefitted from their crony-based rule?

#35 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not much nuance here...

In response to a questionnaire in November from the Midwest Democracy Network, which is made up of nonpartisan government oversight groups, Obama said: ‘‘Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.’’

#36 Posted by BobbyBacala on June 20, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BobbyBacala:

Not only do we remember breakfast, but we can also read. From the link you so graciously provided:

"So it is possible that either candidate might have emerged the winner of an official recount, and nobody can say with exact certainty what the "true" Florida vote really was."

Inconvenient but true. Now, if you want to argue that the Palm Beach County registrar doomed Gore with her doofy ballot design, I'm with you. And if you want to draw some inference from the GOP decision to purge voter rolls of black people with the same names as felons, in a project that has been universally condemned as flawed and damaging to legitimate voters, go for it. I'm with you.

But don't try to argue that Bush is/was the legitimate winner. The election was flawed, and the prize went to the fratboy and not to the geek.

Big surprise there, huh?

#37 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not. You're the one who officially declared Gore the winner. And anyone still peddling that canard is completely full of sh**...IMHO.

#38 Posted by BobbyBacala on June 20, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some will just not let go and admit defeat. Let's call it the Al Gore / Hillary Clinton effect.

Gore Lost!

Clinton Lost!

#39 Posted by DinNaples on June 20, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Elnuestros: It's a fact. He signed the pledge to only use public financing for campaigning should he be the nominee.... No denying this fact. Now he has flip-flopped. Isn't that what all politicians do?

#40 Posted by Philly on June 20, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

your absolutely right Philly, they've been playing his speech on the radio this morning from 2007. he's a silver tongue devil alright.
If Obama gets in he'll most likely try to put a card carrying ACLU lawyer in the supreme court and then every illegal who's within a mile of our borders is a guaranteed citizen with a right to vote. maximum sentences for pedophiles will be 1 year with counseling. rapists probation if they can prove they were under duress.
extreme yes but not that far fetched.

#41 Posted by grouper25 on June 20, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the office of president is entitled to respect...after all that he has done bush has not earned respect... his policies and what he has done entitles him to the worst legacy of any president in US history...

#42 Posted by coolkraft on June 20, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Philly:

You saying "It's a fact" does not make it a fact. There is "denying this fact" when it isn't true.

President Bush, incidentally, has a tendency to do repeat "facts" as though saying things makes them true. He is as adept at argument as you are.

Obama signed no such pledge. You cannot show otherwise. Argue only what can be demonstrated. And quoting Mr. Oxycontin/Viagra doesn't count as proof.

#43 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BobbyBacala:

I agree. Your opinion is humble. Without asterisks, you wouldn't even be articulate.

I can't declare anything "officially." Only morons like Rush and Sean assume such olympic heights of ego. And, of course, they're grateful to folks like you for not letting them fall.

#44 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Elnuestros: You are simply wrong. Even the stations like CNN, MSNBC that absolutely love Obama are ripping him for it. He signed it and campaigned on it. Open your eyes.... My only point through all of this was to say that most politicians flip flop and will do whatever it takes to get elected. Very few of them care about the common citizen... Have a nice weekend....

#45 Posted by Philly on June 20, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A signed pledge? You can spin this any way you want, Mr. Obama Sycophant, but Obama wrote on the Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire: "Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.’’ Rush didn't write this...Sean didn't write this ...a Chicago politician wrote this. I guess this is the change we should believe in.

Flip.
Flop.

#46 Posted by BobbyBacala on June 20, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CNN. Home to Glenn Beck. Color me impressed.

Obama built on what Howard Dean began: a grassroots, small-contribution model for funding national campaigns. It is, in every way, more democratic and more effective than anything the bureaucrats in Washington -- faced with conflicting agendas -- could invent. And it works. The People now have the means to support financially the candidate of their choice.

You think that's wrong?

And Obama's pledge was based on his opponent's acceptance of public funds. McCain failed to make that pledge. Why should Obama hamstring himself in a contest with a man whose fund-raising talents are worse even than his public speaking skills?

#47 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

elnuestros,
You are unbelievable! McCain certainly took that pledge. What are you listening to?
I'll bet you were screaming for campaign reform when the Democrats were stumbling along without any money. Now things are reversed and now reform isn't good, wow!

#48 Posted by DinNaples on June 20, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Naples Daily News is providing a forum here that has gone down a slippery slope. Maybe one out of every fifteen posters has something valuable to say.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you darn well please. It requires you speak the truth. What we have here is outright malice and has no place in a reputable newspaper.

What really scares me is knowing that these same posters are the people who live within our community.

#49 Posted by Highlander on June 20, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey everybody,

Lighten up on elnuestros. It is hard to get that much time on the computers when you are committed for delusional behavior.

#50 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

elnuestos,

Wrong Again1

McCain did make the pledge to take public funds and continues to do so. take your lies somewhere else.

#51 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Make me.

#52 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

elnuestos,

I bow before your superior debating skills. I have not heard that kind of rejoinder since I was 12. Are you?

#53 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McCain made the pledge -- late -- yesterday, right?

He also used the promise of going public to secure a private line of credit that kept him afloat in the primaries when he was dead in the water. Then, with a couple of good months under his belt after Romney and Huckabee collapsed, he quit talking about public financing. Finally, after Obama proved that he could raise enough money to fund his own campaign and send an additional hundred mil or so to the congressional races, McCain -- at the last minute -- decided this week to go public.

How does all of that squre with whatever argument the pseudo-MeFeins feel like advancing?

#54 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Take your lies somewhere else" is what passes for sophisticated intellectual rigor in your circle?

The hypocrisy stuns.

#55 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Highlander:

If you'd name names, we'd know whether or not to agree with your point.

#56 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

elnuestros,
Please use facts. He made the pledge on March 1 2007, That is considerably before yesterday, By the way 2007 not 2008

#57 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

correction May, 2007.

Here is the link to the story

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/...

#58 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naplesconservative
Stop repeating Republican lies,
McCain took the pledge to get the loan, then he broke the spending LAW limit and now he whines because Obama can outraise him.

#59 Posted by greathornedlizard on June 20, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kool aid must be addictive

News report May 2007

"In move similar to Democrat Barack Obama’s last month, McCain, a Republican, pledged to accept public funding in a general election, provided the Democratic nominee does the same. McCain’s announcement came hours after the Federal Election Commission granted presidential candidates increased fundraising flexibility."

Note the "similar to Democrat Barak obama's last month"

Obama is another lying politician. I have no love for John McCain. I'm a conservative, he is not. I do however respect the truth. It is an infrequent visitor on this thread.

#60 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

naplesconservative:

You'd find more of the delicious little berries if you knew what they looked like.

Just saying.

#61 Posted by elnuestros on June 20, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks,

Another 12 year old comment.

Good bye, there's no sign of intelligent life on THIS planet.

#62 Posted by naplesconservative on June 20, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone at dinner last night brought up an interesting idea (if somewhat far-fetched):

No longer should public offices (even very high ones) be elected. It should be cast on a lottery system in which you would be called upon, by chance (just like jury duty), to serve your country in a seat of government, including the Presidency.

Like I said, far-fetched, but it would certainly do away with money ruling our elections. And think of the debates we would hear on C-SPAN! YOWEE!!!

Anyway, as a dearly departed friend of mine once said of politics, "It will all end badly..."

#63 Posted by scubatenor on June 21, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)



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