Again Kraft is not responsible, like they said some of them may have false documents how do you know? So if they are allowed to remain in the country can they have they're jobs back. A lot of painting needs done and Spectrum is now really short staffed.

That's funny - they were working on the new jail.

Mexico takes illegal entry very seirously: first offense is 2 years in jail, second is 10 years.

How many out-of-work legal residents and citizens would have wanted those construction jobs?

This the last news clip you will hear about this case. The judge will release all of them as hard workers who are needed to complete the job.

So, one wonders how they got the job with Kraft because I am sure that Kraft uses e-verify to check the "suspected illegal alien's" SSN. My guess is they all used false documents to get the jobs. Try that is your a legal resident or citizen. ITS OUTRAGEOUS if the judge lets them stay here! And by the way, the house is considering gutting the e-verify program now..because it works much too well and their big business buddy's don't like it. Go to NumbersUSA and write and call Washington. Help save our standard of living because that is what they are destroying.

What is there to have a hearing about??? Waste more tax dollars on hearings??? Get them the hell out of here already!

hey bramble like i have said before if a legal US resident is competing for jobs with illegal immigrants they have some serious problems. Had they applied for those jobs like the others there should not have been a competition as to who gets the job.

Bramble

The answer to your question is 25 at the very least. Many more if you were to count those who inquired and did not get the job.

The illegal aliens are nothing more than common theives. They come here illegally and steal the jobs our younger citizens could be doing. Liar liberals will try to distract you by saying that our young folks don't want the jobs. They are still liars.

It is time for us to stand up and demand that employers stop cheating us and our children by insisting they refuse to hire any illegals. Without jobs the illegal aliens will soon be forced to go back to where they came from.

We must get up off the couch and away from our TV's and boycott any and all business who hire illegal aliens.

Illegal aliens do not belong here, they must go home to their native countries NOW!!!

ok people why doese it always have to be about a racial matter, like seminole 2 said if you have to compete then there is a problem. i mean come on the citizens here went to school here and all and still cant get a job and it cant be that the company is paying these illegals less cause i had a friend that was illegal and was earning at least 22.00 dollars an hour and a friend that was legal and earning 15.00 an hour but it was because one had more expirence then the other. and why not let them stay with out them none of these hard labor jobs would get done cause i know all these moma boys dont want to get there hands dirty

OK I have to say something here. I want to give some FACT about Kraft and Spectrum. How do I know them? I am married to a Forman at Spectrum.
1. These guys get taxes and Social Security taken from the taxes every week and every one of them has medical care thru the company. This is money most of them never see again. A lot of them would be due a return if they were able to file their taxes. Some who have Tax Id Numbers are able to file their taxes and some of them get back returns and some have to pay more in and they do pay more in. (I have proof of that)
2. Yes they did break the law how they got here and how they got their jobs, but most of them like any other group of people are not bad people. They do work hard and they do jobs that most people I know that are US Citizens would not do. They work on the sides of 10+ story buildings with chipping hammers and hazards chemicals.
3. Spectrum does hire “white” guys they pretty much hire anyone who is brave anof to do the job, but I don’t know any of them that out work the Mexican guys. I have been to the jobs and I have watched the work being done. I would see the “white” guys standing around taking on their cell phones and not anywhere near the building. Now this is not all of them but it is quite a few of them.
4. Only a few of them end up in Jail just like any other race of people there is good ones and there is bad ones. In the entire company of Spectrum who HAD 200 employees up until this week, I know of only 3 who had been in jail. The reason why they were in jail was driving violations. I do not know of any of them that has ever stolen anything or committed a felony.
5. A lot of them either know English are trying to learn English or want to learn English. Some will ask my husband or myself “what is this in English”
6. They get up every day before the sun, go to work, and go home in the afternoon. Like with any guys they go to friends homes and sit around laughing and talking. Some drink but most no. Just like any other group of men.
7. They would have come here legally if given the chance. Some do try but the process is almost impossible. These are poor people, In order to come here they need to have money in the bank. If they had money in the bank they would not need to come here to find a job.

There is so much more about these people that us as US citizens should thank about and know before judging them.

do you have a job bramble??or are you jobless 'cause an illegal??

people leaving the country is being detained 100 feet from the border by Border patrol,it would not be better if they let them go and detain those who want to enter illegally??make no sense,what a waste of tax money.

Wow - many of you have no idea what you're talking about here. The illegals ARE taking jobs away from legal Americans because they ARE working for less. The contractors that hire them DO NOT always pay taxes, they treat them as subcontractors and give them a 1099 at the end of the year which of course the Illegals do not then file taxes and pay their share. I agree that most Americans will not pick tomatoes, but that is not the job that we're talking about. I don't believe that Kraft was aware of the residence status of these people, but I do believe that the subcontractors that hired them were aware and the bids they submitted to Kraft reflected the savings. Legal American business can not compete. It cost more to run your business legally. Period.

Now a little bit about what has happened since Thursday that the news seams not to want to talk about.

Spectrum was a mad house Thursday and Friday. They quickly fired almost 100 employs; some of them even had legal papers. How did they know who to fire? Well a few months ago Spectrum ran all the SSN of every employee they had. The ones that came up bad were called into a meeting. Spectrum explained to them that the SSNs had a problem told them they had 90 days to fix them. When a SSN comes up with a problem the employer is required to give the employee 90 days to fix it. No matter if they think it is fake or real. The guys all signed papers agreeing to this. The ones that were not able to fix the problems were fired. They guys that are in the process of applying for Citizenship were aloud to stay until the owners discuss it with the Immigration attorney.
Most of the guys that were fired had been with the company for 5+ years. Some had been there as long as 10 years. A lot of them have wives and or children who are US citizens that depend on that income to eat and live. Now they don’t have it.
In my husband’s case, my husband is and has been in the process of applying for US Citizenship and has been approved to do so. I am a US citizen, I was born in the US and have lived in Florida most of my life. We have 4 children (2 of which are not his but since their father s are not in the picture he has raised them as his own) are all US Citizens. Now we don’t know if he will have a job next week, we have already been having problems paying the mortgage the last couple of months. This family only has one income because with 4 kids I myself was unable to work. It would be easy for me to go and get a job but it would not cover all the bills. I just would not make as much as he does. I would need to get my kids on food stamps and Medicaid.
Now we file our taxes every year and do get back a return because we have 4 kids. Just like anyone else that has 4 kids and 2 mortgages. But the thousands of dollars of Social security that he has paid in for the last 8 years of working at Spectrum he nor our children will never see it again.
If we lose our home we will have to move 500 miles away and live with my parents. Which is something I never would have ever done again. Don’t get me wrong I love my parents but my father was a alcoholic most of my life and after more than a few hours together we fight. Not something I want my kids to see.
About the other happenings since Thursday. I can tell you there would have been 26 but one guy saw them coming with the cuffs and hide in the bushes until 9:00pm. He for one is still free and at home.
This has been a chain reaction that has not stopped It has affected hundreds of people illegal and US Citizens. And not the rich I could care less how it affects them I am talking about the working class.

I don't know about every company in the world but I do know that Spectrum does take out taxes each week. I can prove that. Alot of them do file their taxes at the end of the year. Most of them go to the fleamarket and pay a lady there $25 to fill out the form every year with their leagal Tax Id number. They mail them off even if they need to pay. I have seen some of them save up for weeks to send the check in.
Some of them file at places like Jackson and H&R block in fact I have sent several to the guy who does my taxes each year. Because they have a TIN they are able to file taxes.

That is truth vanilla,I trained more that a dozen people in my job,US citizens, so far non of them kept their job,one used to come drunk,other drank at work and other used sleep at the job,others could not do the job right,out of that dozen just one was good,happens to be a hispnic from Texas,I don't know if he was illegal,but some time latter he was arrested for DUI,the company allow him to came back to work 'cause there were shortage of applicants,but then he was pulled over and was driving whit his DL suspended and that was it.
SOME People have that sense that if there are blacks or latinos at work,they feel that they should have special treatment and higher pay,if blacks and latinos are making 15 an hour I should make 17or I will quit,that is how SOME think.

Hello everyone, tomorrow is white tomato picking day in Immokalee. There will be three teams od tomato pickers and the first one to complete five acres of picking without getting pesticide smeared on them wins! BTW first prize is fifteen dollars and a plastic American flag made in China.

The truth is alot of people have no idea what is going on. I had no clue about any of this until I married my husband. Now is like a whole other world of fear and shame. I can tell you that telling me was the hardest thing my husband had ever done. It was the first and only time I had ever seen him cry.
After we were married we filled for his citizenship which due to the way he got here will take several years to complete. He is alowed to be here now. But he is honestly not leagal or illegal he is sort of in the middle. The INS can not deport him and he has a legal drivers lic.
Some day he will be a full US Citizen and he looks forward to the day.
They only flag that hangs in my house is the US flag. He is proud of where he came from but he is also proud that he will be part of the US.

you gt it wrong and you are missinforming people msboo,I I know some with not legal status I had see their pay stubs,they pay taxes,ss and medicaid,or at least the employee holds that money if they pocket that money,is illegals fault too???some people just talk without any knowledge of the facts
And I think that this mentality of "illegals do it for less money and no benefits so I would not work for less that 20 an hour,2 weeks vacation at year,health insurance,dental insurance,xmas bonus,3 10 minuts breaks at day,one hour for lunch pay of course,work on the 1rst shift and not nights and one more thing,$50 allowance a week for gas"that is the mentality of SOME LEGAL workers now days,and its due to that propaganda of "illegals do it for less"

Spectrums start pay is $10.50 an hour no matter who you are. Unless you have worked for them before or have worked in the same field. You start out doing all the "grunt" work. You train you lean after about a year if you are still there they bring in you in for a review if you are doing your job right and working hard they up your pay $1.50-$2.00 more an hour. They bring you in every year and do the same thing. Now they do have medical and dental. Total for an employee is around $20.00 a week.
My husband start 8 there 8 years ago doing the "grunt" work. Then the starting pay was $8.50 an hour. Now he is a forman after 2 promotions. He makes $19.50 an hour (he is due for another review but all of this has set it back) he drives a company truck, has a company phone, he has a company gas card, a company credit card for Home Depot, he receives 1-2 PAID vactions a year (depending on if he asks for a second), the company paid for him to go back to school, he receives 2 bonuses a year one for Christmas and one for all the jobs he has done, and their is so much more the company does for him they help him any way they can.
Yes I think he should be paid a bit more for what he does mainly because I don't like they idea of what he does. He spend most of his day on the side of a building. Not something I would ever do.

It's supply and demand. If you allow 20 million illegal aliens to work int eh country, then that increases the supply of workers. That drives down incomes for legal workers. That is why businesses want illegals. They don't have to pay them as much, provide health care, pay unemployment worker's comp claims, and can abuse the workers in many other ways.

Bottom line: They are here illegally. They should be prosecuted with a felony, deported and not allowed to re-enter our country. If in this case, Kraft Construction knew or should have known that the workers were here illegally, then officers of the company should face prosecution too.

ok i see that there are people still not understanding like jagv0565 said they are paying taxes it aint like kraft or spectrum is going to pay cash duh and when any one gets paid by a company check they have taxes taken out just like any one else come on people it is all about racisim. we all bleed the same!just some actually work harder then others and i hate to admit it a lot of hard workers are not the american citizens but hey i tell you what anyone that needs a job i have real hard work for one to do i own shrimp boats lets see how many legal citizens want to go out for 30 days and do all that wrk... lol i bet in a million years it would not be many . well hell let me see i have had this company for 9 years and probably had a hand ful of american citizens apply and believe me a pay good

msboo96: Your wrong. Yes they do pay taxes. Almost all of my friends are hispanic, a majority of them "undocumented". They do recieve paychecks through payroll just like we do. The majority of the 12 million "undocumented" people here recieve pay their taxes. they pay their federal taxes, pay into social security, medicare, ect ect. They use their T.I.N. NUMBER(TAX IDENTIFICATION NUMBER) to file their taxes at the end of the year. And yes they do file. They know that once the United States decides to give them documentation they must prove they paid taxes while they were working here. The ones that are working "under the table for cash" are the MINORITY. Remember also that there are "undocumented" people from every single country in the world, not just hispanics. And No they do not work for low wages. In restaurants they work for no less than $8 to $12 an hour, which is the correct amount for that position. My friends that work in construction get around $15 an hour. I even have "undocumented" friends that make over $50,000 a year and own their own houses. They also pay property tax. No, they do not take jobs away from anyone. There are plenty of jobs out their for everyone in this country. If someone is not working, it is because they are lazy and do not want to work. Or they think they are worth more for the position. We should not be paid more money just because we are AMERICANS. It is what the job is worth. Everyone is equal. Restaurants are always hiring. McDonalds, Burger King always need help. $8 an hour is better than sitting at home and making $0!!

Boycott Kraft!

Say no to tomato! Ask for your burger without tomato, boycott all tomato products!

It is still the "undocumented" preparing and selling you the burger!

don't eat burgers at all.

"She also refused to give the names of those arrested, citing privacy concerns"

Ahh - hello? They are illegal! They have no privacy, they have no rights, they are owed absolutely nothing from us, including privacy.

They shouldn't be owning homes, they shouldn't have children enrolled in schools, and their " long term ties" (years and years of dodging the law and not getting caught) should not be REWARDED with bond. What is wrong with you people?

I watched a news story as some of them were being arrested and saw two of them throw gang signs at the camera.

Deport them all!

Kraft looks at the bottom line, i.e., profit. Kraft does what ever it takes, to make a profit. Profit rules. Profit is the global ecomony way, not The Made In The U.S.A. way.
There was a time in recent history when a building was "topped out" a Made In The U.S.A. flag was proudly erected on the high point of the structure in the hands of iron workers. The flag is no longer Made In The U.S.A. and Kraft will insure that foreign illegal labor will prevail to profit for the global economy.

poc,this is very simple,the goverment allow them to come here,cheap labor allow to sell cheap merchandise,so the US goods can be sell for less in other countries,if the goverment want to close the border and implement a system to check every body status,that would have be done 20 years ago,not illegals were here,not ripped families,not AMERICAN CHILDREN being forced to go with their parents to a foreign country where they can't even speak the lenguage leave alone learn in school with a lenguage other than English,and still they are AMERICANS,some day they will came back here,uneducated,may be they forget to speak english so they are going to be 2nd class citizens, I think they are now.

wonderwoman.who are you to dictate who should have children???this is USA got it???not China,do you tell your kids "This illegals should not have kids"?
if so,what a good mother,put yourself in their shoes before you judge them,"they shouldn't have children enrolled in schools"that is what you teach your children???hate???what a good mother,some in the radio says "we are the most generous country in the world"I can see that.
"they are illegals,they have not rights"so rapist child molesters and killers are better than the illegals???as lovely human beings as they are and they still have rights,but not the illegals.

And some still not go it why most of the world hate us

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH .......
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Everyone has been missing the point for the last 15 or so years now.

ILLEGAL ENTRY is ILLEGAL ENTRY.
A Felony under the FEDERAL JUDICIARY system.

DOESN't that mean anything ?

MEXICAN..
ASIAN....
EUROPEAN .....
whatever...

BLAME our ineffective GOVT.
and BLAME businesses like these who don't care if CHEAP LABOR helps their bottom line.

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2008 Presidential Election.
Not one candidate will stand up and CORRECTLY enforce the LAWS in this COUNTRY as they relate to immigration.

And when that happens...
Look out.
Terrible times are coming!

CATCHME69

How is everyone EQUAL ?
How is an ILLEGAL equal to a LEGAL in terms of who deserves a job in this country ?
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This is why the USA is a BIG JOKE today.

We should hardly call ourselves a "NATION".

A "NATION" is a sovereign country surrounded by borders that MEAN SOMETHING.

Want entry ?
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Then wait in line like the 100s of thousands around the world waiting on STATE DEPARTMENT paperwork.

so, according to quotes from ICE and prosecution lawyers..

It sounds like they may PARDON those ILLEGALS who have homes in the area or children in school.
And just give them a simple misdemenaor document fraud slap on the wrist.
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WHAT A COUNTRY!

another miss informed miss guided person,illegal entry is a misdemeanor,many people don't have a clue of what they are debating,but still they think they own the truth.
The bad thing is that they are miss informing other people,intentionally???probably.

that is what is wrong with this people,"deserves a job"??who goes to a company and tell the manager "I should have this job 'cause I deserve it"that is the mentality of anti migrants,one gets the job if we are fitted to do it and we like the pay,not 'cause "we deserve it"

lol gang signs that was not a gang sign. lol that is so funny. He really should not have WAVED at the camera but it was not a gang sign.
I have seen my share of gang signs. Don't you ever turn on the TV to MTV those are gang sign. Even if they don't belong to a gang on there they still use them. All he was doing was wavying and saying "I'll be back" lol.

Just deport them already. Get rid of all the illegals.

American's won't pick tomatoes and produce until we have to choose between doing it or going without. Give those jobs to teens as part time jobs. Keep them out of trouble and teach them the value of a hard day's work. I bet petty crime, gang activity and vandalism would disappear because they'd all be too tired from a hard day at work to do stupid stuff.

Send all the young punks driving around with the loud stereos wearing gold chains slouched down in their seats to the fields!

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ESPERO ESTEN TENIENDO ALGO DE DIVERCION CON
SU TEMA, POR QUE NO DICEN TAMBIEN COMO ES QUE
ALGUNOS DE SUS PADRES O SUS ABUELOS ESTAN
OBTENIENDO BENEFICIOS DEL SEGURO SOCIAL, MUCHOS
OTROS DEL MEDICARE SUS HIJOS, USTEDE MISMOS.
NO SABEN?, O NO LO QUIEREN DECIR?, SABEN QUE GRACIAS A LOS INDOCUMENTADOS QUE PAGAN IMPUESTOS
Y NO LO RECLAMAN ES QUE EL SEGURO SOCIAL TIENE FONDOS PARA QUE SE BENEFICIEN MUCHOS OTROS, IGUAL QUE EL MEDICARE.
ANTE DIOS TODOS SOMOS IGUALES,
IN GOD WE TRUST
THANS FOR YOUR TIME & KEEP HAVING SOME FUN.
OK SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
BYE BYE.

as you can see,is the way they live,their culture what most people here don't like.

I am consistently amazed how so many Americans can be so ignorant about basic economic principles. The stupidity (and sometimes subtle-or not so subtle-racism) on these blogs regarding the impact of immigration on our economy is astounding.

OK now a lot of people say "Send them back". First off there is no way the government would ever send them back. Maybe a few here and there but not all of them.
What would happen if they did? Well for one it would cost millions of dollars to send them back. They would have to hire more people to find and try to find a way to find them. Load them up on buses, house them, feed them, and transport them. There would have to thousands of people working at the border to process them, judges, guards, and everything else. Why all that is happening who would be left to deal with the crimes like theft, murder, etc. And trust me there would be havoc. It would be a war.
Then they would have to find away to keep them out. What are they going to do build a wall and put guards and cameras every 2 feet? It’s that whole "If there is a will there is a way thing". No matter what is done they will come back.
Now their families that are left here. There would be broken homes, kids would lose parents, parents that are legal and US citizens would have to get Medicaid and food stamps because they would lose the income they need to live with.
Homes would be empty, there would not be anof people to buy them and rent them. An entire new work force would need to be trained and quickly.
Fields and stores would be empty, teachers would be without jobs. I know one school here where a lot of the parents are illegal but the kids are not.
Now thinking about our area. We all know when we go to the store here there is people that is illegal working there. Now sure put the teens doing their jobs, why not? Well what about during the day when the NEED to be in school and in the afternoon when they have home work. Are you going to go and do the jobs? And there is a lot less teens that are able to work in this area then there is illegals.
Would you want your kid out doing some of their jobs? Working on the roads, repairing the condos out on the beach, clean homes for the rich. And the fields well what are they going to do work them in shifts? Some be in school and some be in the field working. Drop us back in time why don't you.
Things are not as simple as send them back. There is a lot more to it than that. Taxes would go up social security would go down. It would take this country YEARS to recover.

But what if they are made legal? Well first they would have to pay fines and the ones that didn't pay taxes would have to pay back taxes. They would go to driver’s license office and get the license (about $25.00 each) those offices would need to hire more people just to handle all of them. More would buy homes upping the housing market quick. More kids would go to school, which does mean more schools but the fines alone they pay would cover that. No more free rides at hospitals and such they would have to pay for their treatment. Ok and Medicaid sure some would sign up but just like everyone else most would buy their own or receive thru the companies they work for. All of this would create more office jobs, pay would go up because of it. The army would grow, less kids going off to fight. The more that become legal the more money that would be there to be made. They could do more and buy more. There would be more tax dollars coming in without raising them. They would need to learn English, so more teachers needed there. They would pay for it so more money for the school systems. Sure money would go out but more would come in. There would be more jobs. Just do the math and try to add it all up we are talking either spend billions and lose it or spend it and make 3 or 4 times that back. It’s like a game make the wrong move and loses the game, make the right move and win.
There was a report out in 2007 that said it would cost around $8000 or more per person to send them home. But it did not include what it would take to find them. So there are around 20 million illegals in the US so that is $160,000,000,000 just to transport them, feed them and house them. They said that was the low figure that it could be higher. Now where in the world would all that money come from? Taxes, they would go up again. Now they said they would charge each one about $10,000 in fines and they would have to pay back taxes. Just from there fines there would be an addition $2,000,000,000,000 for the country. WOW now what could we do what that. Not to mention all the other money they would bring in. DO THE MATH!!

Hey all you Pro-ILLEGALS out there!!!

I walk into a bank that I do not have an account with and hand a note to the teller that says, "Put all the money in this bag". She/he complies with my demand and I walk out of the bank with thousands of dollars. I get in my car and drive away but, 2-miles down the road several police cars stop me and scores of officers get out with guns drawn.

They search my person and my car finding the thousands of dollars in loot in the big bag the nice bank teller handed me with a smile. They handcuff me,rough me up a little, haul me away to jail, put me in one of those nice orange designer jumpsuits, take a glamour shots photo of me, and post my picture & criminal bio on CCSO's arrest log/ Latin criminal dating website.

I go up infront of the judge the next morning and he asks why I robbed the bank and tells me the consequences that I'm facing. I tell him that I did not rob the bank, I made an UNDOCUMENTED WITHDRAWAL!!!

The judge tells me that he is sorry for the inconvenience, drops all charges, hands me the bag of loot, and tells me to have a nice day!!!

The moral of this story is:

ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!!! UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ALIENS AND NO MATTER WHAT THE MONIKER USED, THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, AND MUST BE DEPORTED BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AS DEFINED PER U.S. LAW!!!

I have emailed this story to Bill O'Reilly on the Factor. He loves these kinds of legal partial abortions!!!

Turn your T.V.'s to FOX News Channel Monday thru Friday 8:00p.m. to see S.W. Florida's 3-ring circus exposed to national viewers again!!!

naplestrek: It has nothing to do with who "deserves" it. My cousin works for immigration. This is what he tells me, and he should know, he has worked in INS for almost 30 years: They are not illegal. No matter who tells you that, no matter what they might think, what rumors and myths they spread, It is not a U.S. federal or civil offense to cross the U.S. border. They may have them detained, but they will not be charged with anything. No one has ever been arrested, charged, nor convicted for crossing the border. Yes, we are all equal. No one on this earth is better than anyone else. Just because we were born in "AMERICA" doesn't mean that we are better than everyone else. And yes, they do have rights. everyone, citizen or not, once on U.S. soil has the same rights. human rights. They have the right to defend themselves, a right to an attorney, many rights that you don't even know they have. And no they do not work for low wages. Did you know that the guys that work in Immakolee and pick tomatoes work from 8 to 5 five days a week and make $600 a week? and yes they are paid with a paycheck and taxes are taken out. I know, I have beent there and have seen their paystubs. I have helped many file their tax returns at the end of the year.
remember the next president will not be a republican. Obama or Hillary will be the next president. Democrats want to make all undocumented people...documented as well as does immigration. and they should. They are here, they are not going anywhere. yes, they should have done it the right way, but they are here now, and that won't ever change. they are not a threat to society, in fact they are helping it. they pay taxes, they pay into our social security system and they won't even get it. As long as they check to see they are not criminals in their country, give them documentation, otherwise yes, deport them, and no, being here they are NOT CRIMINALS. that is the truth and a fact. Immigration otherwise would just go to miami, naples, orlando, new york, los angeles and just deport people by the bus load. that will never happen. Immigration wants them here. they are needed. No matter how angry you get, no matter how much tax you pay, no matter who you vote for, it will never change. It is not worth getting mad over something that you have no control over. we are all equal. god created everyone equal. god bless america god bless the world.

#36: That is true. It is also true that, not all that long ago, black people and women were not allowed to vote, BY LAW!! So if I argued that this shouldn't be the case, would you write an all-caps response saying these people who were trying to vote were BREAKING THE LAW AND SHOULD GO TO JAIL!! ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!! Judging from your post, you actually might, but hopefully in this day and age most would disagree, b/c these laws are not only unjust but also serve to hinder progress. If you remember, a few years ago, the Senate tried to pass a bill that would legalise many of the hard-working immigrants who came to this country to try for a better life than was possible back home. If this passes, will all of the ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL(!) people simply shut up and accept the new laws (b/c immigration reform is coming, likely sooner rather than later)? I certainly hope so, but I fear that's probably a long shot

I agree that these workers should be repremanded, but what about the contractor?

And how about all the ones we see arrested time after time and still walk the streets?
I'm not saying nothing should be done about all these illegals, but they were't out gangbanging or commiting crimes, they were working.

CATCHME69
and
JAGOV
and others........
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NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND SPIN YOUR SYMPATHETIC STANCE TOWARD "ILLEGAL" IMMIGRATION and UNDERMINE THE VALUES AND LAWS OF THIS "ONCE" GREAT NATION.....

"Residency" in this country without US GOVT documentation:
#1 Naturalized SS# and Birth Cert
#2 SWORN CITIZENSHIP as a FOREIGNER
#3 OR a TEMP VISA like an H1B or Student Visa
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WITHOUT THESE DOCUMENTS..

YOU ARE SIMPLY PERSONA NON GRATA, ILLEGAL, LAW BREAKING, GHOST
living in this country!

GOT IT!

If the government keeps disregarding the voices of the MASS MAJORITY of LEGAL US TAXPAYING CITIZENS that oppose MASS AMNESTY and are angered by the current failed ILLEGAL ALIEN IMMIGRATION security measures, a major uprising will be imminent!!!

We will not tolerate OUR country being destroyed by inept and/or corrupt politicians and allowing it to be transformed into a 3rd World country without morals, values, respect,& obedience for laws!!!

I am prior military and the country IS being ATTACKED via an invasion by "SLOW TRICKLE EFFECT". Slowly and steadily the invaders amass huge numbers by coming in small numbers. After years of these small number mini invasions, they will add up and equal the numbers of a full blown mass invasion!!!

If the invaders had entered OUR country in 1 mass invasion instead of the slow trickle effect, the GREAT USA would have declared war on their country and our military would ERADICATE the invaders and turned the invaders homeland into piles of rubble!!!

Actually, Adobe mud huts are fairly easy to destroy and enemy fighters with armed with MACHETES and POCKET KNIVES are taken out very easily!!!

America is rapidly turning into the European equivalent of KOSOVO.

Only difference is that the Serbs just didn't like the fact that so many Albanians were re-producing faster than their own population.
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Problem here is that ILLEGALS (mostly South of the Border) are appearing faster than the GOVT cares to admit or have the male reproductive organs to do anything about...

And that is why things are getting worse here in this country.

CAN ANY OF YOU HONESTLY TELL ME THAT THE SITUATION IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE WITH THESE PEOPLE POURING IN FROM THE 3rd WORLD?

What_Say_You, are you of Native American descent? Because if not, then you are an immigrant too. Oh wait, I know what's coming... my descendents came here legally, followed the rules, blah blah blah. So, did your ancestors file mountains of paperwork and wait 5+ years in their own country before coming here back in the 1800s (or whenever they came), or did they just hop on a boat from Europe and receive citizenship quickly upon arrival because the laws were different back then? Wow.

Our ancestors still did it the legal way. They obeyed the laws of the land in the 1800's when the came over, and learned English on the boat on the way over. All the illegals need to go back to their own country and come in legally or stay the H*ll away!

Sure than came legally. Right after mass murder!! And I'm sure some of them helped with that.

Yes Jag, My ancestors came from from Germany in the early 1900's LEGALLY!!!

Laws then may have been different from today but, they were OBEYED. Notice that, OBEYED!!!

You and your PRO-ILLEGAL buddies have a COMPREHENSION DEFICIT PROBLEM. Maybe you suffer from Microcephaly. This cure-all drug named succinylcholine or (naughty word), administered via I.V. 5 mg/kg rapid & repeat PRN, does wonders. This will permanently eliminate all debilitating health issues STAT!!!

Theoretic Scenario Using your PRO-ILLEGAL ILLOGICAL thinking:
A NEW stop sign has been installed at an intersection on a road I travel routinely. I do not have to stop for it because I have been driving this road long before the stop sign was put up and I think it is a STUPID place for it!!!

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Full link below.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFEREN...

jagv, where did I say they should not have children?

You have a skewed way of interpreting things and read what you want to read. Try backing off a little and see things for what they are.

I'm all for deporting illegal aliens, but instead of worrying about these guys who were building a GOVERNMENT building why don't they take a drive down Estey or Bayshore and pick up the ones selling crack and other drugs? This is just another way to make it seem like ICE did something positive.

These guys arrested probably were dealing after work hours!!!

Who is going to deliver the Naples Daily News now that they've all been arrested?

NDN is nervous about that!!!

yeah what-ya,and probably the priest of the latino catholic church is selling drugs after mass. right??always trying to find something negative.

This debate is really not so much about being anti-immigrate as it is being about breaking the law. Some of you say that they are hard working people with families who just happened to cross the border illegally. In your believe this gives them a pass. Give them citizanship, you say. Others say they broke the law they should be sent back to their native country.
I say send them back.
This country has always been about laws. You obay them or suffer the consequences. If I steal a loaf of bread, but I am a hard worker, should I be exempt from punishment? I should think not. If we are to believe that Homeland Security is about keeping the USA safe from an invasion, than why do we not secure our borders? We need to get our priorities in order.

If you truely feel that we need to save the laws of the land about immigration, than please visit numbersusa.com. This is not an extremist group or anything like that. They explain what the consequensies of the influx of illegal aliens on the USA economy. Also they make it easy to send faxes to our Senators and Representitives.
Its easy to vent on NDN but if you really want to do something visit:

numbersusa.com

NDN is nervous about that!!!

#62 Posted by What_Say_You on May 17, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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HAHAHAHA!
You are not far from the truth.
Many of them are South Americans who are being paid cash under the table by another CARRIER who is bonded and 1099d thru NDN.

It used to be a lucrative (yet grueling) way to make a 2nd income for many people.

That was until the cheap Latin American labor came in.
Then , it seems like NDN didn't bother to up the amount paid per newspaper delivered. Even in the face of $4.00 gas.
Maybe they did recently...who knows?

DON'T BELIEVE me,,

Go behind DISCOUNT AUTO PARTS (PINE RIDGE RD) area at around 2 or 3 a.m. any night and see what I mean.

#59: You are wrong. go down bayshore.....who is selling the drugs? the white guys. Not even the blacks. Not the hispanics...the white guys. I have seen it many times. The prostitutes.....white girls......not hispanics.......WHITE GIRLS. WHITE AMERICANS!!
PEOPLE FROM SO CALLED "3RD WORLD COUNTRIES" HAVE MORE MORALS, RESPECT AND EDUCATION THAN ANY WHITE PERSON AROUND HERE!

#66 Posted by catchme69 on May 18, 2008 at 1:57 a.m.
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Sure they are!
And if you believe that , I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

These 3rd worlders are causing so many problems in Immokalee that the Sheriff's dept has to issue an IMMOKALEE wanted poster every month.

http://www.colliersheriff.org/Index.a...

#38 tempest - I definately saw a gang sign. Clean it up if you want to (not sure why). I reviewed it multiple times and even went so far as to look at documented gang signs online so I could determine which gang. Nice try though!

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/18...

Watch the video again. The 2nd guy. As he raises his hands to wave he throws the sign first.

nice try zipgruder.(sp)

Amazing,
All this commentary and no one blames the corrupt government of Mexico. It exports oil to the US, second only to Canada as a percentage of the oil sold to the US and does little or nothing to serve and protect their own people. With a decent government, there would be valid and sustainable jobs in Mexico. Most of those who come here would prefer to stay in their own country, but Mexico and Guatemala prefer to line the pockets of Carlos Slim and other ruthless domestic corporations.

it is all about BLAME THE UNITED STATES FIRST.

Wake up!! the source of the problem is in Mexico and the solution should be as well.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT CARLOS SLIM HELU

Carlos Slim Helú (born January 28, 1940) is a Mexican businessman largely focused on the telecommunications industry. He is the second richest man in the world with a net worth of around U.S. $60 billion through his holdings.[1]

Slim has a substantial influence over the telecommunications industry in Mexico and much of Latin America as well. He controls Teléfonos de México (Telmex), Telcel and América Móvil companies. Though he maintains an active involvement in his companies, his three sons Carlos Slim Domit, Marco Antonio Slim Domit and Patrick Slim Domit head them on a day-to-day basis.

FOR THOSE WHO THINK SLIM HELU IS GOOD FOR MEXICO, THIS IS FROM TIME MAGAZINE, THAT NOTORIOUS "RIGHT WING" PUBLICATION. The Garcia quoted is the most respected business journalist in Mexico.

"The door to superwealth was opened in 1990 when Telmex, then the government telephone monopoly, was privatized: a Slim-led international investor group bought it for $1.7 billion, and today it's worth almost $40 billion. America Movil is worth almost three times as much. But Garcia charges, Slim's inordinate dominance has meant that, according to the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation & Development (OECD), Mexico's telecom customers pay some of the highest rates in the world. "If not for those rates," Garcia insists, "Mexican businesses would have generated better profits and could have paid their workers better. Mexico would have been a more efficient economy."

Still Garcia and other Mexico business watchers agree that Slim has just done what any tycoon would do — and that the real blame lies with the Mexican government's notorious indulgence of monopolies. President Felipe Calderon was elected last year on a platform that included cracking down on those economic behemoths. Meanwhile, all the talk about the Competition Commission's upcoming probe has sent Telmex's share price tumbling more than 5% in recent days on the Mexico stock exchange, the Bolsa. If the slide continues, Slim could find himself No. 2 again."

To all illegal aliens that are out of work due to the depression created by the war on oil.

Return to your homeland and join the army. Request that your government deploy your units to the Middle East to join the Made In The U.S.A. Military forces presently in combat. After your tour of duty serving next to the Made In The U.S.A. combat forces you will be considered for a work visa in the U.S.A..
Second, if you do not have the money to return to your home country apply by the thousands at the local Made In The U.S.A., Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine recruition stations to sign up and fight for oil. UNCLE SAM needs the blood.
Be advised Mexico and Canada have plenty of oil and it might be advisable to remaim in your countries for the sake of your own life.
Be advised that this commitment to the Made IN The U.S.A. Military could and most likey will result in action against Communist China, Iran and Soviet Russia. The Made In The U.S.A. Military has met these countries on the field of battle in the past. All blood will be accepted.
Send this to O'Riley.

tempest in all honesty I could care less about the plight of an illegal and neither should you.
and illegal who is here is illegal and has broken our law and the reason this nation is so great is because we are a nation of LAWS.
to me there's no difference between a arrested illegal and one walking our streets they both have broken the law.
anyone that harbors an illegal imo should be deported also.
Now I know tempest doesn't care that the majority of americans are sick of them mooching of of us with food stamps wic, free medical, etc as long as she doesnt have to pay for it.
if your hubby is so proud of mexico why doesn't he go back and change it for the better?
if we deported 12 million illegals the quality of life would be for the better more jobs would come available with decent wages, millions of gallons of fuel would be saved, billions and billions in wic, food stamp med etc would be saved.
yes america would be better if we deported all illegals and even the americans who harbor them

ok grouper25,you said that people have broked the law but, they broke the men law there is another law is the GOD LAW.
And you can't stop them.
just because they are looking for a better way to live, they are working,paying tax they aren't asking nothing free.
and you wonder women the 2nd guy did not make any
gang sign He did turn his hand making a hornes sign.I think you need glasses

It seems that the biggest problem that illegal aliens have with our immigration law is that it takes years to get a visa....so what do you want us to do? Give YOU or YOUR FAMILY MEMBER a fast track? I feel that way every time I go to the emergency room because of all the illegals there but when I complain about it they say "WAIT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE" So get in line with the other 100 million people from all over the world who want to come here and realize that you are no more important than anyone else.

#77 Posted by THE5THELEMENT
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Roll on the floor LMAO!
Now we saying ILLEGALS have a RIGHT to be here because of GOD's LAW ?

Kinda like the Taliban saying we kill Infidels because of Allah!

also roflmao, the5thelement must own a grow house.
its people like you who have no clue to whats happening in the world.
when the u.s becomes a third world country and your social security is gone and the medicare is history and our sovereignty is gone you'll be the first one in here crying the blues

the5thelement, tell us more about this "GOD's Law" you are refering to. I truly hope one of these laws do not include Leviticus 25:44 which God clearly states that "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." These "illegals" would indeed be in deep doo doo if we still obeyed GOD's LAW.

THE5THELEMENT
unfortunately you are fighting a losing battle, in which people like to site Vs of the Bible and take them literally and try to make it applicable to current day.

20 years ago I worked in this area as an electrician, aluminum framer, various menial labor jobs which barely paid a living with minimal benefits. I am white, wasn't the only one and the predominant minorities were blacks and cubans/puerto ricans. Spanish was rarely heard aloud. This was before NAFTA. I knew MANY white lawn maintenance employees, they often had insurance and 401K benefits as country club employees to boot.
Today I simply could not afford to work those jobs, they are 10-99'd to immigrants who have no intention of paying taxes. The illegals who are working as employees simply declare 5+ child dependents and aren't paying any income taxes, just social security. The argument that Americans won't do these jobs is false, Americans generally wont live in a trailer with 30-40 other people and require a living wage to survive at what we consider a civilized, if impoverished, level.
Spectrum painting is basically a division of Kraft construction, at one point their shop was in the back of Kraft's offices. It is very unlikely that Kraft was unaware of the status of these employees.
I have worked as a subcontractor in the time since, some of the largest contractors in this area not only know their subs are illegal, they even instruct them how to apply for worker comp waivers and 10-99 their existing employees if they haven't done so already.
As long as people chase lowball prices regardless of the source and ignore the long-term effects of their greed the situation in this country will deteriorate. Nothing is more ironic than someone complaining about spanish being spoken in a box store where everything is made in China or India, and expecting the same corporation that shopped its vendors to overseas child labor sweatshops for the lowest price to actually care.

the people of florida are partially to blame for this problem, Bill Nelson has never NEVER voted for immigration reform only amnesty. Mr Martinez voted for the kennedy-mccain amnesty bill then after he seen the voters getting mad he voted no on the remaining amnesty bills. and imo if he is elected again he will vote for amnesty. He's worried about getting reelected.
we also need to rid ourselves of the incumbents in the fl legislature and senate they all dropped the ball on the 9 reform bills that was brought to them
none would cosponsor any of them.
its time to clean house