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Letter of the Day: What the world needs now
Editor, Daily News:
I was talking to my son about how we can make the world a better place when it occurred to us maybe the world will never become better.
With that thought in mind, I said to him, maybe life is all about making ourselves better.
That is the one constant we have — to make good choices for ourselves and to create the positive ripple effects to improve the world that surrounds us as an individual.
To implement such improvements, we need to become more aware of ourselves, how we act and how we think.
Creating good ripple effects is everyone’s responsibility.
— Pat Solie, Naples
91-0?
Editor, Daily News:
What ever happened to the word "sportsmanship" at Naples High School?
I’m referring to the recent football game where Naples embarrassed Estero High with a 91-0 score.
I come from Everett, Mass., where we had powerhouse teams. We were a Class 10 team and played other Class 10 teams, except on Thanksgiving Day when we played a traditional Class 8 team which was no match for our big teams. (We made "Ripley’s Believe It Or Not" for having the largest high school line in the nation). But never did we ever humiliate an opponent by running up the score.
Denny Gilday was the coach, and when he saw us overpowering another team, he sent in the second and third teams to keep the score down. We had plays for these occasions that kept us from making a first down.
We love to see Naples win, but not to the detriment of the opponent.
Coach Bill Kramer could take a few lessons from Gilday.
— Eugene Mazzie, Naples
Rx for better reporting
Editor, Daily News:
Your article headlined "Are lives at risk? 8 medications nixed" mandates a response.
Patient safety is of the highest priority as the medical community seeks to improve health care and limit errors. Drug errors are the most common cause of error in emergency medicine and thus are the target of patient improvement processes nationwide. Deleting unused and unnecessary drugs in emergencies is widely recognized as one of the most efficient and effective means of improving patient safety.
Dr. Robert Tober’s review of the drug use on his emergency medical service rigs, evaluation and assessment of that data, resulted in a decision that will undoubtedly result in far better and safer patient care in the pre-hospital setting.
It is disturbing that the tone of the article is that "nixing" these rarely used medications will result in "lives at risk." The author clearly did not obtain or review the objective data upon which this decision was made. She also did not review other relevant data, such as the run times associated with medications administered in the field and how that affects final patient outcomes.
It is well known that any delays in getting cardiac patients to the cardiac catheterization lab or trauma patients to the operating room results in adverse outcomes.
The eight drugs being removed were not even identified. No other experts were interviewed or other standard sources cited in this article to dispute or support the decision made.
It is extraordinarily disappointing that this newspaper would publish an article devoid of any data or objective information to support your opinion — or the title.
You have done a disservice to your readers and to the users of the medical services in your community.
— Elizabeth M. Orsay, M.D., Naples and Chicago, associate professor, emergency medicine, University of Illinois at Chicago
What was he thinking?
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott.
That type of language can be polarizing to some less-tolerant individuals and also encourages false anger and potential violence in a world where we have true threats against our country.
What is truly most disappointing is Scott’s lack of remorse and responsibility for his comments. He apparently offended just as many people as he rallied and didn’t feel the need to apologize for it.
I think this incident has truly affected his reputation and now there will always be people out there wondering about his tolerance of other races, religions and ethnicities. He has thrown himself smack in the middle of very dirty national politics and his actions are now a reflection on the citizens of Southwest Florida!
— Patricia E. Neilsen, Naples
The beat must go on
Editor, Daily News:
The letter writer who is against sports and band in schools doesn’t understand that it is these kinds of activities that keep young people off drugs and not doing things that are self-destructive.
The schools only provide the means for these to happen. In reality it is the support organizations, such as the athletic associations and band boosters, that pay for the activities.
While the school system provides the coach or band director, the first set of uniforms and a place for the activities, the support organizations pay for everything else.
The parents of the students pay for this as well as paying taxes.
I would rather see the money spent on the extra activities.
Look somewhere else — say, an administration building or something — should you feel the need to cut the school budget.
Extra activities make the schools better places for all.
The band program not only gives the student an education in arts but also teaches math, physical fitness (try to keep up with one practice session with the kids), discipline and academic achievement. Most directors in Collier require students to maintain at least a C average in all classes, and band is not an easy class. Most of the students in band programs maintain a B-plus average or better, and have above-average SAT scores, and go on to become professionals in our community (doctors, nurses, engineers, aircraft pilots, etc.).
Look at the big picture.
— John Swasey, Naples
Time to step it up
Editor, Daily News:
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) has been a bulwark combating injustice.
As an organization, the NAACP stepped out of the box to effect change in America. Its clarion call for equality, justice and inclusion did not come without a struggle. Now, decades after its inception, it is clear America has heard the call and much of America now stands on the cusp of electing an African-American to the highest office in the land.
If, however, Barack Obama falls short of the prize, the NAACP will have none more to blame than itself. From local to state to national levels, the NAACP is hobbled by its charter rule of being a nonpolitical organization.
It begs the question, what was the struggle for? At the very moment in time that the NAACP’s voice should be heard, it is silent.
Speak about injustice. How can the NAACP justify its silence to the very segment of America it championed — the minority voice?
With less than a month before the presidential election, the NAACP needs to step out of the box. Failing to do so certainly reduces its relevancy and its call for membership in the future will be a hollow exercise.
— Garland Edmonson, Naples
What we have to do
Editor, Daily News:
I am sick and tired of reading that the 2006 congressional majority is responsible for the current economic mess.
While the Democrats control the House, they have a 51 to 49 majority in the Senate, including Joe Lieberman who consistently votes with the Republicans on war-related issues. The Senate’s rule makes it impossible to pass controversial issues without a 60-vote majority.
Therefore, what is the practical effect of the current Democratic control? The Democrats can refuse to bring up or pass Republican-sponsored legislation with which they disagree or they can refuse to fund the war or the rest of the government and "shut the country down." This clearly would be irresponsible and has not been done (except by the Newt Gingrich Republicans during the Clinton administration).
For the past eight years, President Bush’s appointees have run the country — for the first six years without congressional checks and for the last two with minimal ones.
In the past I personally have favored split party control between the Congress and the president to prevent budgetary excesses aptly demonstrated by the first six years of this administration. America’s current dire situation with multiple challenges not seen since the 1930s demands a different approach.
Thinking Republicans must hold their noses and elect Barack Obama and a 60-vote Democratic majority in the Senate and pray that Obama will follow his campaign promises and do what’s necessary to save our way of life.
Sadly for our great country, there is no other viable alternative!
— Alan Buchholz, Naples
Learning from history?
Editor, Daily News:
The economic situation we find ourselves in today is very similar to the beginnings of the Great Depression, which was not caused by the stock market crash of 1929, but was already in motion when the crash occurred. The crash just brought it on faster.
Republicans were in the White House at the time, so they took the blame, and President Herbert Hoover did not make the situation any better by stifling international trade, which spread the Depression to the rest of the world.
A tale that is perpetuated by our liberal media is that Franklin D. Roosevelt brought us out of the Depression. Not true. He took office in 1932 on a platform of blaming big business and Wall Street for the Depression. He immediately instituted many strict regulations on big business, raised their taxes and empowered labor unions. The result was that the Depression lasted until 1942.
In 1940 unemployment was still 15 percent, having fallen from its high of 25 percent, due to the boom in manufacturing of arms for the Allied forces in Europe.
It was not until we entered the war after Pearl Harbor, and this arms manufacturing really took off, that the economy began to recover — fully, 13 years after the Depression started and with no thanks to FDR’s economic policies.
Barack Obama has been blaming big business, the Republicans and Wall Street for our economic ills. President Bush has taken action, in the form of bailouts, to ameliorate the situation. Many think he is misguided in this policy.
Obama has promised to raise both capital gains and corporation taxes.
Any of this sound familiar? I am not even saying that John McCain has a better solution. I am only saying that Great Depression II is certainly a good possibility if we elect Obama.
— Lou Cohn, Naples and New York City
Look who’s talking
Editor, Daily News:
It is curious indeed that Gov. Sarah Palin, who has been so enthusiastically received by Christian evangelicals, continues to call Bill Ayers a terrorist, knowing full well that, despite his youthful radicalism, he has become a respected member of the Chicago community and has made a real contribution to education there.
Christianity is based upon the concept of redemption. Do these self-proclaimed Christians deny that basic tenet? Is dishonesty all right with them?
This is only one of many lies that Palin has promoted in her short life on the national stage. Beyond that, her comment that Barack Obama does not see this country as she does gives us good reason to be grateful for Obama.
Palin has so little regard for the laws of this country that she and her husband are currently in defiance of a perfectly legal, nonpartisan subpoena from the Alaska Legislature, one that predated her nomination to run for national office and has been validated by the court.
It is just that kind of arrogance, dishonesty and disregard for the law by those who were in public office when Ayers was a young man that turned him and so many other idealistic young people into violent radicals. He was never tried because of illegal police activity.
Let us, at long last, ignore the empty politicians who only play on ignorant fears and instead elect those who share the hopes and the goodness of the American people.
That would be — you guessed it — Obama and Joe Biden!
— Cate Laguzza, Naples
Point by point
Editor, Daily News:
■ I feel that if cow dung would sell for a penny a pound, Barack Obama could sell enough to pay for his entire campaign.
■ I agree with the guy who complains of low mileage whilst using the fuel that contains at least 10 percent ethanol. My mileage not only dropped, but I am on the third carburetor in my 1970 (restored) El Camino. That stuff seemed to plug up the jets, and I am now using the next better grade — to no avail.
■ Has anyone seen the "completed" project on Rattlesnake Hammock Road? They are still trying to get the curb inlets free of debris; a manhole remains to be adjusted to grade; the grass is knee high; part of the sound barrier wall (at the airport runway approach) is still not painted, etc.
■ I continue to see automobiles making right-hand turns from the inside (left-hand) lane where signs relating "No Turn From This Lane" are mounted on the mast arms.
■ I attended Sarah Palin’s arrival at Germain Arena and if only 10 percent of those in attendance follow through and vote, we’ll get a different outlook on the way the government should work — I hope.
■ I watched the "debate" betwixt the two presidential candidates and I did not see either of them say what they can and will do to solve the finance problems facing us all. Just hot air.
Politicians are supposed to say what the people want to hear. I didn’t hear any of that.
— Don Heflin, Naples
Honestly, Brent
Editor, Daily News:
Thanks for the column by Brent Batten, "Tracking financial crisis blame."
He explained lending as we see it today. Buying and selling mortgages has been hard for me to understand, even when my broker recommends bundled mortgages as an investment.
Even more important in the article was Batten’s explanation of federal review by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight and the role of Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., in leading the Democratic Congress to weaken lending requirements.
It is ironic that Frank gets the praise for making it possible for all people to obtain a mortgage and buy a home, but that he forgot to tell these same people that the mortgage must be repaid. Not only did this reminder not occur, but Frank also blocked regulations that would have limited credit requirements.
Then the Democrats refused to accept any responsibility for our economic troubles and had the audacity to blame the problems on President Bush and the Republicans.
Thanks to Batten for being an honest journalist and telling us what has really happened.
— Mary Evans Cooper, Naples
It was clear to me
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Michelle Obama’s remark, " ... for the first time in my adult life, I’m really proud of my country."
How is it that a remark so innocently intended can be so condemned?
Never, regardless of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Civil Rights Act, has America "walked the walk" on the subject of full racial equality, till now. And it’s not because there have not been great black leaders in America’s past, but because America passed on these great leaders.
Yet, America was ready to transcend race in the military to let blacks fight and die in our wars and be honored by outstanding sports achievements and more. But it wasn’t ready for a black president.
The reality is that despite all our advancements, too many white Americans remain rooted in intolerance.
So Michelle Obama’s meaning was clear to me. For the first time, as a black American who deeply loves her country, despite its flaws, she felt equal, she was proud, "really proud," that her country had come through.
Isn’t it time that we who say we put "country first" not just talk the good citizen talk, but be true to the ideals of our beloved nation?
— Violet Niggl, Fort Myers
’Here’s an idea’
Editor, Daily News:
I’m disgusted with the phrase "Americans are addicted to oil."
Cars use approximately 20 percent of our nation’s fuel. Thinking ethanol? Where’s the national outrage as we rape our farmlands, deplete our food sources, drive up food prices?
Note the dead zone is expanding in the Gulf of Mexico; it is already the size of New Jersey. If you don’t know what it is, look it up before purchasing any ethanol vehicles.
We’ll buy any car offered if it fits our family, budget, looks nice and gets us from point A to point B. We’re not greedy oil-sucking pigs; it’s the only realistic product available to the consumer.
Tired of environmentalists telling us don’t buy a large gas-guzzling 4x4 over the past 10 years? Fact: Due to lack of realistic alternatives, I have delayed replacing my 10-year-old sedan. There are others like me.
A solution is retooling former auto-manufacturing plants at light speed. It hasn’t happened because automakers are waiting for monetary incentives, meaning tax increases! Creating more American jobs, catapulting the American-made car to the most-desired, least-expensive available and reducing emissions are not enough for them.
Here’s an idea: Penalize them if they don’t retrofit. Give two years’ grace period to commence this process. It won’t happen without oversight.
Unfortunately, we have a do-nothing Congress, beholden to the oil-company lobbyists. Solution: Outlaw politicians accepting campaign money from auto makers.
Even with alternative energy sources available, oil is needed.
Regardless, if any manufacturer offers a realistic battery-type model, like entrepreneur Shai Agassi is producing in Israel, with Silicon Valley manufacturing the recharging grid, we will buy it.
— Susan Lord, Naples
I like Mike
Editor, Daily News:
I don’t understand the outrage on the part of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the liberal left at Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott’s use of Barack Obama’s middle name, Hussein, when introducing Gov. Sarah Palin.
Actually, Obama’s first and last names are Middle Eastern as well. Obama isn’t offended by his own name, only members of the liberal left who assume (or are afraid) that potential voters for Obama may infer that Obama is Muslim.
Many presidents (and I sincerely hope that Obama does not become one) have been known by and referred to by their full names; e.g., John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Baines Johnson, to name a few.
I certainly hope that Scott does not buckle under to the cynical demands of the NAACP that he apologize for using Obama’s full name. I wonder if there would be any outrage if Scott had referred to Obama by his full name if he introduced him at a campaign rally for Obama? I think we know the answer to that.
Shame on the NAACP for attempting to intimidate Sheriff Scott.
— Ken Oehler, Naples
A vow of gratitude
Editor, Daily News:
I would like to make everyone in Naples aware of what a huge boon Avow Hospice is to our community.
My father passed away of colorectal cancer three months ago and just the other day a good friend lost her mother to pancreatic cancer.
Avow’s staff helped me immensely with their free counseling services. Also, they made it possible to make my father’s last few months comfortable without any kind of cost to us.
I want to give my sincere heartfelt thanks to Laura Tabone, Mary Ann Coletta and the rest of the Avow Hospice staff for all of their altruism and understanding.
As if Naples wasn’t great enough already, the fact that Avow Hospice is available to all who live here (free of charge!) truly is a blessing.
Thank you!
— Kim Roman, Naples
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McCain and Palin have created a Frankenstein monster of hatred and resentment. McCain's pathetic attempts to rein in his crowds show him afraid of his monstrous creation. When he now asserts that Obama is a decent human, he is boo'ed by his own crowds. Take note McCain: such monsters have a way of turning on their creators.
#1 Posted by dooley on October 13, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Cate Laguzza, you obviously don't watch news and are clearly unaware of the facts. Ayres was a domestic terrorist but has even in recent years stated what he did was right. He has not asked for forgiveness. He uses the system of America in a different way than his previous bombings to accomplish the same thing. He puts together socialist, radical organizations to taint the minds of our youth. Are you out of your mind? He is no christian.
Obama is a socialist and if you listen to his policies this is very clear. He can't come out and say that's what he is, because no one would vote for him.
1. It's impossible to build an economy from the bottom up. The bottom doesn't employ American workers. When the handout runs out, there's nothing.
2. Imposing higher taxes for anyone in an economy like we have now will only create a depression. That has already been proven in history.
3. Obama is either lying about his past with Reverend Wright, Bill Ayres, ACORN or he is a very poor judge of character. What type of cabinet do you think he will choose?
4. He is for bigger government.
Wake up - I can't believe so many people are so ignorant.
#2 Posted by tcamp on October 14, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lou Cohn Go back to New York. They need you now in their "trying times". Your blind "malignant" interpretation of history and finance are classical GOP propaganda!!!!
#3 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 14, 2008 at 4:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's amazing how Republican zealots constantly try to attach some kind of criminal complicity between Obama and past associates etc. In the meantime they completely ignore the McCain identification with George W. Bush = 90% + times "side by side". Is it because they truly believe in party loyalty and that "W" is "wonderful"? There you go again, the religious Reagan doctrine and the eleventh commandment = thou shall not criticize a fellow Republican, has priority over truth, patriotism and society on a hold. Hail to the GOP "ACHIEVERS"!
#4 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 14, 2008 at 4:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Remember, You Read It Here First!:
Capitalism vs. Socialism (however misinterpreted and misrepresented socialism is by the free market addicts and the twisted religious right)--
Fact: U.S. Treasury Secretary has told bankers they must accept government investment (the government will have shares in ownership of banks) for the good of the U.S. financial system.
Fact: Dow Jones Industrial Average gains 926 points.
Conclusion: The market loves socialism.
#5 Posted by r2winslow on October 14, 2008 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Two new movies coming soon...
"W" ... prequel to "X"?... just joking... actually looks worth the price of admission.
And "Religulous" (religion + ridiculous), which apparently points out how ridiculous everyone's religious beliefs are... except ours, of course.
http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/
#6 Posted by AARGGHHH on October 14, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama just got called out by Danforth for ACORN's fraudulent voter registration. What a wonderful group ACORN is, and Obama is in the thick of it.
#7 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
BullWinkle is gonna vote for PRESIDENT OBAMA also Atlas. The fact that Six Guns Sarah is a staunch supporter of hunting from helicopters scares the hell out of him and his furry friends.
Why is it that the neocons think it is thrilling to hunt wolves from helicopters and shoot birds on farms with clipped wings so they cannot escape? Reminds me of Nixon and Brezhnev's grand hunting adventures. They would sit on the dachau's front porch and aids would release deer that ran through a fenced in path 30 ft. in front of the porch. Real sporting.
The funniest part is the fact that even with such staged hunts, Cheney shot his best friend in the face. And then claimed it was Whittington's fault and forced him to apologize for letting Cheney shoot him in the face.
It's never ever their fault.
Well, what did ya expect from the FAILURE PARTY?
#8 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
willy, that was so stupid I just had to read it. You are clearly lost in some other world.
Here's an email I just got:
Back in 1990, the Government seized the famed "Mustang Ranch" brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed miserably ....and it closed.
Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits who couldn't make money running a woman of allegedly ill repute house and selling booze?
#9 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I like how the auto-censor turned it into a "woman of ill repute house". Change to brothel.
#10 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GoneSenile,
In the real world I don't think many folks would visit a brothel run by a bunch of guys clad in blue jackets with IRS in bright yellow letters printed on the back. The only ones foolish enough to visit would be republicans, so it is no wonder they went broke. The neocons have always prefered mens restrooms at airports anyways. LOL.
#11 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You have to wonder what goes through the mind of someone who is actively engaging in voter fraud. They have to be pretty stupid (well, they're voting for Hussein, so I guess that says it all.)
#12 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
willy, you really need to get some help.
#13 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Claire McCaskill has said there's no problem with the voter registration. Fraudulent registration is not the same thing as voter fraud. Talk about spin.
"There has been no fraudulent voting..." the democrat said. "The people who claim this is a huge problem can never produce any instances where anyone voted fraudulently."
Um, that's because the voters are just being registered for this election. What a moonbat.
#14 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Got plenty of help GoneSenile. About seven out of ten Americans agree with me that PRESIDENT OBAMA is the man for the job.
Perhaps YOU might garner some help at the airport?
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Can anyone justify the actions of Hussein's ACORN group?
#16 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama and Acorn
Community organizers, phony voters, and your tax dollars.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12239...
Don't forget that ACORN tried to get itself more federal money with a rider tacked onto the bailout bill that Hussein wanted.
#17 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Exactly what has qualified Obama to be President of the United States? His accomplishments? What exactly were they?
#18 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Din, aside from school, Hussein has done nothing in his life except groom himself for a presidential run. Oh, and make bone headed mistakes.
#19 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GF, he must have written some bills in the Senate that he should be proud of but I cannot find reference to them.
#20 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Din, Obama is proud of his Senate Bill S-2433 where he wants to spend billions of US tax dollars on Global Poverty (as if it would do any good).
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2...
#21 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GF, Thanks. I don't hear him speak of this when he's campaigning. I looked at the link and it's unclear how much money we would be sending out of the country. Isn't that something he's been complaining about? Sending our dollars out of the country?
Are there any bills he's written to help us here in the US?
#22 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Huseein wants to relax rules on early withdrawals from retirement savings accounts.
That is NOT a smart thing at all.
Just another bone headed mistake by someone who has no qualifications.
#23 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#6 AARGG
I think Bill Maher is a brilliant person. I can't wait to see "Religulous". Religion blinds people and teaches things that are irrational.
To all you who post comments against Obama: I read about ACORN on Wikipedia and I couldn't see anything wrong with it. It is an organization to help people. Why are you Obama haters against everything that helps people? Obama all his life has been against injustice and wants to help people. That is one reason I will vote for him. I don't understand all the hate for him. Why are so many people against socialism in the first place. If socialism is carried out right, it can help people. They have socialism in many European countries, and the people are better cared for than in this country.
I don't like seeing so much racism and hatred. It's not good for our country when people have so many divisive beliefs and don't want to change for the better.
#24 Posted by rationalman on October 14, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples and GoneSenile.
One and the same person carrying out a conversation with himself. I'm not too concerned until he starts arguing with himself. I'll be really concerned when he starts losing those arguments.
#25 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
irrational, that you can't see anything wrong with ACORN is almost hilarious (the fact that you base your opinion on the wikipedia entry made for a good laugh).
Here is something I posted above, but maybe it can set you straight (probably not).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12239...
#26 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Billy, Please join in. Perhaps you can answer my question.
#27 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And to think it is inevitable Atlas that BARACK OBAMA will be our next president!!!!! Just proves how incredibly inept the neocons have been the last eight years that ANYONE is better than more of the mini me mcsame. You guys should be too ashamed to even announce your support for the continuation of such complete and utter failure. Jeez, even mini me is now trying to distance himself from his mentor who he supported wholeheartedly all these years. Too late. He has too closely identified himself as a radical kool aid drinker these last eight years. It's back to Arizona for sunset of his life.
#28 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mini me mcsame has attempted to reinvent himself so many times as an agent for change, the maverick, the steady hand on the helm, etc, that he has shown how erratic he is at such an advanced age. Like Joan Rivers and her plastic surgeries, he has tried to change so many times his face is frozen in a permanent scowl. What a mean, tired old dude frozen in the past and so aligned with the status quo. Let him pass his final few days with the plethora of grandchildren his many marriages have produced.
#29 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mini me, like many republicans, has made it easy to measure family values. He is extremely successful according to their parameters. That measurement is, of course, combined taxable net income after deductions and loop holes.
Or ya can vote for the guy happily married to his first wife with two well raised children. Who didn't have to marry his money.
#30 Posted by boulderbilly on October 14, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Michelle made more than Hussein, then she got a big raise when Hussein got a million from taxpayers for her company.
And taking your children to see Reverend Wright?
Well, now that's raisin' 'em Wright!
Hussein NObama!
#31 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AtlasF, no wonder you're a right winger; you can't read. I did not endorse William Ayers. Nowhere have I endorsed or condoned such violence.
What I pointed out is the motivation behind Ayers' actions. And I also said, while I do not endorse Ayers' violence neither do I support violence done by our government built on lies.
I don't know what misconduct was done by the police to throw out Ayers' case, but obviously it was thrown out because he served no prison time.
What I tried to show, unsuccessfully, is you Right Wingers can only see from your own point of view, the facts behind the protest.
I do endorse the protest of the Viet Nam war, though I myself was not engaged actively, only passively. I did thank all those young people who were out in the streets trying to bring that ridiculous and terrible war to an end.
I know that you Right Wingers cannot understand any violence but your own which you think is wonderful and justified, and believe me, you have plenty of violence also, plenty of your bombings of Abortion Clnics, lynchings of blacks, and other acts of right wing violence we've seen.
Obama, for the thousandth time was not connected to nor did he endorse any of that violence. And for you to lie about that is wrong, absolutely malicious. If you're Christian than maybe you've heard of "Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor." Now I suppose you'll say, "But Obama is not my neighbor, so lying about him is okay."" I think I'm getting the hang of how you think.
#32 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's not that Ayers was a bomb thrower, it's the fact that he is an unrepentant communist bomb thrower who, along with Hussein, tried to change the Chicago school system along the lines of Mao.
The fact that some of you only see Ayers as a "former terrorist" shows how far you are willing to ignore facts.
Hussein NObama
#33 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think it's a riot, but very disturbing how Palin after the Alaskan panel of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats handed down their verdict of guilty of abuse of power and of unlawful ethics, how she came out and said she was grateful they found her innocent, not guilty of anything.
WHAT? Help!
How could she stand there with a straight face after the verdict was given and say it said just the opposite of what the verdict was? She must be a consummate liar to do that with a strait face.
That alone tells us she has no respect for the law or the actions she can take in a government office. So, it tells me that as V.P. she will do as she pleases. Rules and law mean nothing to her, and obviously nothing also to First Dude.
Those statements of denial alone should automatically disqualify her as a candidate. If she continues, it tells us how low our standards have gotten, and it quite obvious why we get crooked government.
Now tell me, you right wingers, do you condone her lying straight out to us. Don't you see she's like a child caught outright with her hand in the cookie jar while she blatantly says, "My hand is not in the cookie jar."
Semms to me you went bananas when Clinton lied to us. Now, why not Palin?
#34 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too, my attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
- Hussein NObama
#35 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When Barack graduated, he traveled the world including Pakistan Africa. Where did the money come from, and what other countries did he visit?
When I graduated, I went to Michigan and Wisconsin.
#36 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 14, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama is no more connected to Acorn than McCain is. McCain gave a keynote address to one of Acorn's conventions.
Also, there is no voter fraud until someone illegally votes. The problem with the registrations seems to be, when you pay people to help with registrations by giving them money according to the numbers they register, then you'll have people registering anyone and maybe more than once just to get more money.
So, all those registrations have to be carefully checked.
I remember our own Secretary of Elections saying that she couldn't ask if registrants were legal citizens. I couldn't believe it. But, she said there was at that time no coordination with the INS to tell her who was legal and who was illegal. So, registration has always had problems.
But to say somehow Obama is connected to this is outrageous. Wash your mouths out with soap. I have never heard so much lying in an election.
The worst thing about it is that most of the lying comes from the Right, from Republicans. Now what does that say about our party. I'll tell you what I think: It's pretty hard to stay connected with such a low life party. And while most of us Republicans believe in our underlying principles, we can't tolerate the sleeze that has represented our party. And it's not just me. It's some very prominant Republicans who are disgusted with the tone of the Republican side of this election.
And others see that too. Republicans and Independents see how far the Republicans have sunk, and they, as I, want no part of it.
#37 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW though businesses create jobs, if there are too many people without jobs and money, there's no one to buy their products. And right now, there's a derth of people able to buy.
So, it becomes somewhat of a conundrum. How do we get businesses to create jobs when there are too few people who can buy their product?
So, it has to be tackled from both ends. We have to cut taxes for business, give them incentives to create jobs and give people tax breaks etc, so they have some money to buy some products. Tax cuts to them will give them a little more spendable money which in turn will give business the customers they need to keep going.
I believe productive jobs that benefit the country could be produced in creating new sources of energy and expanding the sources we already have. That will not only create jobs, but lower energy costs and the money flowing out of this country to others for our energy needs.
Also, our infrastructure has been neglected. That's a good investment. So, instead of just hand outs to people that evaporate quickly, good jobs in valuable industries can help a lot.
#38 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loca...
Isn't it nice to know that two cigarettes to a crack addicted felon is enough to negate your vote.
108,000 votes negated.
But liberals say this is OK as long as those cigarettes buy socialist votes.
#39 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 14, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Hussein campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN, but truthdoesn'tmatter thinks he's not connected. Then there were those grants given to ACORN by the Woods Fund when Hussein was on the board. Hussein trained future ACORN leaders, but that's not really a connection either. Hussein said he worked side-by-side with ACORN (no connection there, huh?)
But truthdoesn'tmatter can't see Hussein's forest for the sick trees.
#40 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He also was an unpaid trainer for Acorn. As a lawyer, he represented them in a major lawsuit.
But there is no connection. We are liars.
At some point I might think that Obama might be the liar. But that can't be true as he's a Democrat. And also a lawyer.
#41 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#41 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.
If you believe what you posted, why are you promoting Obama instead of McCain??
You are very confusing 60% of the time.
If you are that confused, should you really be posting an "opinion"?
#42 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 14, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you can stomach it for 8 minutes, here's a video that puts Obama in an awkward place regarding ACORN and the bad loan crisis.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lX...
#43 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
isn't it remarkable....27 posts from right wing posters smearing Obama........out of a total of 46 posts
not one post from those same right wingers pointing out any good things about the McCain/Palin ticket
perhaps they have nothing good to say about that ticket!!!
I guess they prefer to post hateful comments based on rumours ..lies...maybes...
makes one wonder!!!!
#44 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, we know where McCain stands.
It's where Obama stands that needs to be pointed out.
You see, Hussein talks about change, but what is the change he really wants? Given the way Hussein was schooled, it's not a good change he plans.
Hussein NObama: A tax and spend ultra liberal.
#45 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
It is easier to point out faults with Obama, much easier.
MSM Push McCain, and then bad mouthed him after nomination.
Not the best available. Agreed.
Did you ever get that hospital parking refund?
You often expressed how important it was to you to not go into your retirement funds for things like health care.
#46 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 14, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Where shall we meet to celebrate on November 5th ? Somewhere where they serve barbecued Pig's Feet, Butter Beans with Ham Bones and Okra, and Mustard Greens with Ham Hocks.Somewhere where we can roll around on the floor laughing while we watch Fox News...in our turbans
#47 Posted by commansense on October 14, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That money you're talking about, $800,000, that you claim Obama gave to ACORN was only a part of what was given to many others to get out the vote in an election. ACORN got only one tenth of the money paid to groups to get out the vote. BIG DEAL. WHAT A BIG DEAL. You guys will never quit scraping, hoping that your insinuations will make people think it's some sinister plan of Obamas.
I can hardly talk to you Right Wingers any more. You're just too disgusting. I can hardly hang on to being a Republican anymore. There are too many people like you in it.
Obama is a fine upstanding citizen who none of you right wingers are even fit to clean his shoes.
And, you know what? All your snide, lying remarks only make me more sure to vote for Obama. I've had it up to the top of my head listening to people like you. And I can't wait until every last one of you is put in your place.
BTW, the polls in Obama's favor widen daily. He has more states lining up behind him.
When this is all over, you can go crying, reaping all the disgusting trash you have sown.
You all deserve each other. Who else would want you.
Now, I've got better things to do than engage with the likes of people like you.
#48 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bricklin75........you seem to be obsessed with my hospital parking fee.....does it really grate your right wing senses that was the only cost to me for my wife's cancer operation and 18 weeks of chemotherapy?????
BTW did I tell you that the parking cost is tax deductable???
I am at peace that I will NEVER have to go into my retirement funds......or sell my home to pay for a debillitating illness...unlike a lot of your fellow citizens!!!!!
so you can continue to post the trash about Obama that has been disputed so many times with facts!!!!
while Obama/Biden continues to widen the lead in the polls!!!
and when you find something good to post about the other ticket it might be interesting to see what you have....or do you have anything good to say!!!!!!
#49 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truthmatters, IF Obama is elected this entire country will be as you said "put in your place" by the one that YOU chose.
It will be then, and only then that you will see the REAL Obama. Right now he is telling his followers what they want to hear, kinda like Peter Piper playing his flute with all the DemoRats following.
He is a sheep in wolf's clothing and he has you fooled.
#50 Posted by GatorBite on October 14, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow! TM sure doesn't like it when you point out to her where she is in error does she? I guess when you can hold Bill Ayers up as a hero because of the cause he fought you would feel like she does. TM, please don't hang on, not for the Republicans anyway.
By the way, what are Obama's qualifications anyway?
#51 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I think Bill Maher is a brilliant person. I can't wait to see "Religulous". Religion blinds people and teaches things that are irrational."
rationalman
Eddie,
On this we agree 100%, although I'm sure when we've seen the movie, we'll be even more incredulous about the silly things people do in the name of religion.
It will also be amusing to read letters and blogs from people who knew beforehand that it would offend them, saw it anyway and then decide to complain that it was offensive.
#52 Posted by BigG on October 14, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hussein not involved with ACORN?
"...Obama's post-law school organizing of "Project VOTE" in 1992 was undertaken in direct partnership with ACORN."
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
#53 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, among those posts that you have determined are smears against Obama were a number of simple requests to point out what his qualifications are for the Presidency. I guess Obama supporters would definately call those smears.
#54 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, what's going on up there? I read you've got to check your brake lines before you take out your cars? What's up with that? Part of your political process?
#55 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"So it would appear that Obama’s own writings solve the mystery of why he stayed at Trinity [Church] for 20 years. Obama’s long-held and decidedly audacious hope has been to spread Wright’s radical spirit by linking it to a viable, left-leaning political program, with Obama himself at the center."
"You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, ...revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so."
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephi...
#56 Posted by GoneFishin on October 14, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, just a few for you:
McCain will eliminate the wasteful spending in government, such as earmarks that Obama has had no problem requesting for pet projects.
McCain will repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax that 25 million middle-americans pay, saving those tax-payers $60 billion.
#57 Posted by GatorBite on October 14, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#58DinNaples....just a right wing nut who decided to attack anyone with a Liberal party sign....actually it was one man who is in need of mental care...don't know his politics but he only attacked houses and cars with Liberal signs
#58 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So Canuck, I imagine you just might have had one or two of those signs. Be careful.
#59 Posted by DinNaples on October 14, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
thank you GatorBite for your post...the first I have seen outlining that ticket's program...
I was aware of the vow to eliminate earmarks...which is a good thing....but is it not only a very small part of the overall budget...or am I mistaken??
as for the repealing of that tax....I am not familiar with that....how does that compare with Obama's tax plan???
#60 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
no DinNaples...I did not have any signs as we now live in a condo.....
however I did volunteer work for my member of parliment who is a Liberal.... but a daughter of one of our friends did have her car sabotaged!!!
#61 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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#62 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 14, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.
WOW....Gonefishin....you cite that VERY radical right wing English column that manages to spin every lie ever told about Obama into one column.......and then you complain about my posts because I am not American......
that really is very selective of you!!!
whatever fits your agenda!!
#63 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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#64 Posted by mthalo on October 14, 2008 at 5:28 p.m.
Gonefishin......you are a dime short and a day late!!!!!
why would you publish web sites that are a month old....especially when it relates to politics...
I remember a month ago McCain had a lead and you were crowing!!!
if you were informed trying to bash Canada..you would know today is our election day!!!
so go find today's information that will show we will elect another minority goverment and it could be a toss up between the Conservatives and the Liberals....
really Gonefishin... you must do your homework before you try to bash as you only look ridiculous...especially in front of all your buddies whom you addressed
#65 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Palin "family" is in the midst of another "shotgun marriage". It seems it won't be too much of a decision. After all, Sarah was knocked up before she said "yes" legitimately, so her daughter has every conservative "justification" to emulate her mother. The Palin "tradition" epitomizes the Pro Life "dogma" and principles. This also qualifies Sarah as an "authority" on abortion and its "sinfulness" as a result of a rejection of any contraceptive alternatives. It's all so "plain" (or should that be palin) to see the righteousness of the Republican platform and theological solution to "social challenges". Hail to the ACHIEVERS!
#66 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 14, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bricklin75...now you are getting personal with my wife's cancer....check your own times before you comment on ours....
and do you know what is involved in chemo!!!! ..because you really show your ignorance with that comment....
6 hours of chemo each time means you can only give the treatment every 3 weeks and because of the treament you can only give 6 treatments...hence the 18 week period
go back and read my post...first it was not 9 1/2 weeks and there were never approvals required..... unlike my friend Ed who had to go offshore for his cancer treatment because the insurance company approval was so late in coming....
so who controls your health care!!!
you know NOTHING about the condition of my wife's cancer so your comments are out of line!!!
and you are the pathetic one to justify your ignorant comments by saying I put monetary concerns before my wife's health and I would go to the Mayo clinic if I had cancer....inferring I would look after myself better than my wife..
your post highlighted your ignorance and your comments were malicious
#67 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#37, truthmatters, I heard the same thing with Palin's response. It was so incredulous I figured it had to be some sort left wing spin and the whole story hasn't been told. Fishin, bricklin, rock, etc- what's your response?
The silence is deafening- Without BSing or referencing somebody's opinion, explain that this was some sort of misunderstanding. Otherwise, this person Sarah Palin is one scary individual given the power she has over others.
And #50 commonsense, Sounds delicous, please let me know where that party is. I'll bring the nanner pudd'in for desert and my prayer rug for relaxation and we can chew the quat and discuss our country's new future!
But yeah I know, I won't be invited.
#68 Posted by wes on October 14, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think politics is confusing. I don't see how it's possible to know the truth when there are so many conflicting comments. Everyone bashes each other and calls each other names. Just because some disagree doesn't make them an idiot or a moron. Why do people have to be so cruel?
I know who I'm going to vote for. I don't see any sense to all this bickering. It's awfully hard to know what the truth is. I want a liberal in the White House, and that doesn't make me an idiot or a moron. I want a person who will best help the people. My opinions are just as important as anyone elses. Democrats are not Dumocrats as someone said. There are dumb Democrats and there are dumb Republicans.
#69 Posted by rationalman on October 14, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rationalman I agree with you it is really hard to discern the truth when there is so much childish bickering instead of mature debating of the issues. I have been reading these posts for quite some time now and it is really mindboggeling. I really do not know what people are trying to gain when making personal attacks on others. It just shows their true character. I can not for the life of me figure out what Bricklin is trying to gain attacking Canucks devastating situation with his wife. It really saddens me that anyone would resort to such a level. Do we not have any decency???????? I also know who I am voting for. We need to get decency back in our country. We need to start treating each other with more respect. We need to rise above and be better people. What are we showing the world??? Obama and his wife have shown that. They have been so strong through what they have been through these past months with the smear and lies that have been said about them. I saw Michelle on the Daily show and seems like a very decent woman. She said that she can't listien to all the things that are being said and I don't blame her. We all need to grow up and be more civil to one another our livlihoods are on the line.
#70 Posted by fudge on October 14, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is fun reading the posts. Keep it up along with your blood pressure. At this point I couldn't care who is elected. They will be blasteded if you do blasteded if you don't. It will be 4 years of he11 one way or the other. Nothing will get accomplished because no one will take responsibility. Congress will not do anything to promote either parties agenda. Congress only worries about keeping their jobs and milking the tax payer. Do you think they will easily vote any program proposed by either party into law? Not if they think it is going to affect their re-election. What the candidates are saying to get elected will never come to fruition.
Hillary is eating this up. She will be there up front in 2012.
I wouldn't want to jump into the middle of this mess and try to clean it up. Would you?
And I see I can't use the words in the saying.
#71 Posted by skyhook1fl on October 14, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
nice post sky.
It is up to us all to support who is elected, and try to work through these hard times. we will all vote for our person, then we will have to move on. the last 16 years of bickering is not working. term limits and lobbying
oversite is need for our legislative branches.
#72 Posted by Duh_novan on October 14, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, I know it must be very hard for you and your wife at this time in your lives. You have my hope that it will turn out okay for both of you.
Rationalman and Canuck and all of you who are enjoyable to converse with, I'm glad you're on the blogs. Without your voices and Boulderbilly, JenniferSaban and Bossman and all like you, these blogs wouldn't be worth visiting.
We only have a short time to go of hearing the rude blatherings of the RightWingers. Obama will win. He's gaining, and the more the these kinds of Republicans show their colors, the greater Obama's chance to win.
The wind is behind Obama's back, and he's held his head high through all the bitter vetch from the Right. He's shown how presidential he really is having weathered all these rank attacks with dignity.
It makes me think of Sigmund Rhomberg's song, Walk On. "Walk on through the wind, walk on through the rain though your dreams be tossed and blown. Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart and you'll never walk alone. You'll never walk alone."
America will prosper, and with Obama we will have a president we can be proud of.
#73 Posted by truthmatters on October 14, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
thank you truthmatters for your kind comments about my wife....and to you fudge for your comments...
you know that I can take anything they care to throw at me but when the comments get personal about my wife's illness then I do get upset!!
to equate the illness to money was just abusive
#74 Posted by Canuck on October 14, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In reply to Kim Roman, I want to congratulate you since Hospice thought your dad was sick enough to care for him. My mother's doctor requested Hospice to evaluate her on three occasions. All three times, they denied giving her care as "she wasn't sick enough". The day after her third evaluation, she died.
Maybe they could not have helped her but they may have been able to help me and my family to cope with her illness and death.
I don't have much to say about Avow Hospice.
#75 Posted by sue3580 on October 15, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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