I agree with Marianne Longworth. I, too, moved out here seeking peace and quiet. Funny, they object to much-needed shopping centers out here, yet they are considering a monumental-sized dumpster right here in our beautiful Estates. It angers me that anything as obnoxious as this project sounds is even considered. NO WAY, NO HOW. I urge all Golden Gate Estatians to scream a loud "NO!"

I am NOT saying this is a good thing, I have a copy of the PDF someone sent me. I have info from the county too. But where should this type of facility go? Perhaps Haylock, might have an idea. What should be done with the debris? Should each homeowner rent or buy a chipper/shredder and disposed of this kind of waste on their own property?
(Don't think this is allowed now because of the risk for brush fire?)...

HA! HA! HA! HA!

Beetle is laughing bcuz nobody really cares what people think in this sad situation.

GG Residents think they will listen, but it is a DOG AND PONY SHOW when all is said and done.

Beetle's all time pathetic moment from a public entity: "and I QUOTE...WE'RE not placing many chairs out here, Bcuz people can't sit down 2 tell us what they think......we want them in and out and GONE."

BTW....this ignorant quote came from Florida's D.O.T. on a new road proposed in Collier County just B 4 a public comment meeting.

So if residents think they can change this issue....I dunno...maybe they will B heard...but maybe not!

Good luck Golden Gate Estates residents. The County Commissioners won't even remove the no parking signs from along CR 951 (Collier Blvd.) to allow Golden Gate Estates residents to use the boat ramp. I truly don't believe any of the Collier County Commissioners have our interests in mind. I am constantly disappointed by their decisions and tactics.

If they won't remove a no parking sign, what makes you think they will consider moving a solid waste dump? And if the Collier County School Board would start recycling some of those styro food trays, maybe they would need less space.

Hey...ohyeah...run 4 Collier County Commissioner.

U C....it's about making a difference...not whining about it.

U R whining in Beetle's book.

Run 4 office 2 make a change.

Call the County....don't whine.

Whiners never win.

She is worried about chippers and big equipment? What about the privately owned horticulutral waste removal company that is run out of a house that is right behind the dump. Also, all the equipment that is run out there taking care of the landscaping farms out there. I bet she doesn't noticed the landscaping crews going back to their offices that are also run out of homes in that neighborhood.

30 years ago it was called the "Golden Gate Folly", because of so much low ground. Somebody must have built the ground up, I don't know.

Micheal...tell us more about the company.
I am not sure this area is even zoned GGE. Thought this area falls south of the Estates designation. Isn't it part of the industrially zoned area anyway? The dump is right there, too.
I know where this area is, but not about this company to which you refer.

rayoman, the canals drained much of the area of GGE. Homes have to be built to an elevation above the crown of the road and other regulations apply. Perhaps you should take a ride, much of the original GGE "fly over swampland" is actually nice. While there are still some low lying areas and roads which flood, delineated wetlands are reviewed by DEP to determine the buildable area in a lot. AND some of the Estates is now upland (shocking isn't it?) Yup, actually looks and feels just like dry pineland.

Take a ride out GG Blvd.: Dare to adventure east of 951! We don't bite.

beetlejuice, FDOT is different than the county. The County will put out the chairs and even ask your opinion via surveys, etc. They will record it so you can see it even later on. Does that mean the public can have more influence on the County than FDOT? LOL. Sometimes, but not often.

The question is...where SHOULD this kind of operation go? If not where they want it (near the dump), then where. We will need it as more storms are coming our way.

Again, I am not sure I think this is a good idea, but should the debris go further north? South? East? NIMBY is an interesting phenomena. Do I want this in MY backyard. Heck no...but where else. Finding a better site than the County wants might just be the key to not allowing this! Happened with the new EOC...

Where is White Lake Blvd? I first thought it said White Blvd. and I was trying to figure THAT location out.
Where 'bouts we talking?

White Lake Blvd. was formerly known as Landfill Road. It is just north of I-75 and runs to the current county landfill.

PIEFACE: yep, you are right. The area is in North Belle Meade. I do believe that is is zoned for industrial use or the adjacent land is zoned that way. The drinking water wells in this area have naturally occurring high levels of chlorides (salt) which was deposited (as the sea level fell) before any humans touched the land.

eaglebeak: go to google maps: http://maps.google.com/

Just put in White Lake Blvd., Naples, Florida and you should get the picture. White Lake Blvd. curves to parallel Alligator Alley (aka I-75) and is just the other side (north) of it but well south of homes.

It is NOT in GGE as PIEFACE correctly said.

This is a very appropriate spot and mulching this debris is going to be like a big compost pile.

Thanks BTV.
These articles are as confusing as the traffic report I heard one morning on the radio, of an accident at the intersection of Pine Ridge and Golden Gate Parkway!

Why can't they put it under the powerlines somewhere between GoldenGate ParkWay & BonitaBeach RD

Oh and the name of the company Michael Hunt was hinting at, I believe is Yahl Mulching and Recycling. This is a legitimate business with an occupational license.

Strap the waste to all the illegals ICE just rounded up for deportation. 2 birds, 1 stone.

PIEFACE: are you talking about chloride levels in the well water? Or, other pollutants...if so what has been found? What has DEP determined? I am curious what has been found which could be traced to decomposing yard waste...or are there other sources you suspect?

If you have another site which could be used, suggest it. It won't hurt. The challenge is that the named location is so close to where the WM trucks come now for the dump, so this might take some real activity to change the direction.

NaplesCracker, are there enough people to go to the CCPC from the area or have someone speak for them? Even sending emails may help because I believe that this group does look for input from the community. Also, the EAC hearing might be another venue to present your concerns. If someone has documentation of pollution, bring it.

Their opinions have no credence other than their age.

The area for this proposed solid waste park falls just to the south of Hideout Golf Club, with Garland Road to the East and the canal to the West. They have lied at every point on the landfill, so we didnt expect them to be any different on this proposed 'waste park'.
The audience was well informed and asked probing questions that showed the dangerous unlined retention ponds that could potential poison our wells, the dumping of overflow into our canals, along with a real overall lack of planning and preparation in the plans by the county and its contractor PSJ&B who is putting forth the conceptual plans for the proposed solid waste park. They were wrong on almost everyone of their major assertions on how they were putting into the plans a safety net to protect the public from being negatively affected by the operation of the 'waste park'. This park is being pushed up 20 feet from resident, when before they were almost a half mile away, and that makes a big difference. In case of heavy rain, major storms or hurricanes, the buildup of the site would cause the heavy metals, paint, solvents leakage and runoff to go into the canal, go into unlined retention ponds which would spill unto the main well fields for Naples and poison them, and also go into the wells of the residents, flood all the neighboring lands which were high ground and never were flooded before as they will now be lower than the park. They had no controls planned for runoff for most of the park, the few retention ponds were 'unlined', no planning for flood control, no noise reduction or smell and odor control, and that is just the issues we discovered at the meeting, once its implement you can be sure other problems that were not foreseen will come up.

Napleswebmaker wrote: "In case of heavy rain, major storms or hurricanes, the buildup of the site would cause the heavy metals, paint, solvents leakage and runoff to go into the canal, go into unlined retention ponds which would spill unto the main well fields for Naples and poison them"<SNIP>

I am not defending the county here, napleswebmaker, but can you tell me (actually the rest of the bloggers too would probably like to know) how you know that this would happen? Do you have elevation maps to know that there would be flooding? Do you know that the materials indicated in the conceptual design would be left in a fashion which could make it dangerous? It sounds as if they did not have plans to make this material secure?

You can use county maps/FEMA maps to review to see if the area is prone to flooding. If it is, bring the map with you or a spokesperson to the CCPS and EAC, etc. If they had no plans to secure hazardous waste, DEP might be interested as well.

Conceptual plans are not SDPs, there is time to intervene. What kind of hazardous waste will be collected? Did they say anything about the "wonderful" (not) new "green" (not really) light bulbs full of mercury? Are the well fields significantly lower than the detention ponds?

The details will be important when you can present your findings to the other boards.

Can you share how the county lied about the landfill? Which department(s) lied?

If you gather this info, I would guess that would give you significant credibility before any board. I also think it might make a good investigative report which could be published in NDN.

The continual whining sound in Collier County
used to be from leaf blowers. Now its from
Golden Gate Residents. Buffer the project
and 99% of the people won't even know its there.

Oh well..let them all go have a nice cry with
Jim.

PS, you don't need to try to answer me...I would like to know what you found out, of course, but mostly, the info would be of benefit for your concerns.

Bob...Golden Gate (City) and Golden Gate Estates are different areas. AND the area in discussion is in neither area. As blogger PIEFACE and others pointed out. NDN got the headline wrong.

So seems you are volunteering to have the solid waste park moved to your neighborhood. I am sure the people of North Belle Meade will be delighted.

They admited at the meeting that "In case of heavy rain, major storms or hurricanes"
1) buildup of the site would cause the runoff of any of the heavy metals, paint, solvents.
2) The overflow in the retention ponds would go into the canal on the West side.
3)On the east side it go into unlined retention ponds which would spill unto the main well fields for Naples and into all the neighbors shallow wells.

I dont need elevation maps as they admited that since it is wetlands which at the moment have up to 2 feet water at the moment, they would have to fill and raise it substantially to the point the water would then flow towards the residents properties to the north and east.

As for securing the dangerous materials and chemicles, they implied it would sit in a dumpster type of container out in the open till processed.
The area is prone to flooding, at the moment the water is receding but the road was completely covered with water after Fay for days.

Yes, there are conceptual plans but they seemed to think its a done deal and so there might not be a point or time to intervene if they railroad this through. As for what kind of hazardous waste will be collected, they said the whole spectrum of hazardous waste that currently is done at the landfill would be moved to the park, so to me thats every kind you can imagine.

The South Regional Water plants has well fields right beside the proposed retention ponds, and they are not allowed to do this per code as you cannot have a landfill and well fields in the same section, so thus they are calling it a 'waste park' which gives them a loophole.

The county lied about the landfill when Waste Management officials said in the Commissioners meeting that the cells would close in 24-30 months when the cells fill up. But that was just a scam when they were pushing the incinerator waste to power concept.

Put your questions up and I will check up with my sources and info and post it, and here is a some interesting info/links on the contractor that did the plans and was bringing this for approval of a ‘Conditional Use'.

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Oh, its less than 1000 yards from Golden Gates Estates as the crow flies, so 6 or half a dozen its all the same, and its right by the well fields for Naples so that could affect many residents water source.

That is 9 Collier County water supply wells that are shown as "developed", but the 'well fields' are not at the wells itself but underneath them and all around. So it pulls the water from a much larger footprint than just the well, and if they are going to put the 'waste park' right beside the well fields its not for a few days, weeks or months. We are talking years and years with those toxins, solvents, and other unknown chemicals leaching right through the unlined retention ponds, and overflowing with the storm water and any flooding. So there is the potential of longterm affects on the scale of that movie, with Julia Roberts, I cant remember the name about the poisoning of the towns water supply.

Hope you can go to the CCPC meeting and EAC meeting napleswebmaker you have done a great job researching this. I also got to read the Collier Citizen and both Kaytee and Russell Tuff have articles.

Thanks for your attentiveness.

I agree with NaplesCracker if it was just horticultural debris, it should pose no problems.

NDN you need to do a big deal investigation on this one! If wells for the county and water plant could be affected, then, it isn't a NIMBY issue at all. Time to do one of your investigative specials on this entire situation!

Napleswebmaker, I think you would be an excellent reporter. I reread your info and was very impressed by your efforts and depth of information.
Thank you very much.

BTV