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Debate was on but few listened at local establishment

— The first presidential debate should have been dessert at American Legion Post 135 in Naples. But it wasn’t. No one wanted to hear the talking heads.

Dinner and karaoke were the main courses, a break from national — and international — politics.

Post Commander Frank Ward, who is also the district commander for 16 other posts reaching up to Punta Gorda, said people are sick of the issues.

“We’ve been saturated for two years with this information,” Ward said. Also, many American Legion members favored Hillary Clinton, and are disappointed that she lost to Barack Obama.

Ward, a former Marine Corps Private First Class, during the Vietnam era, who was based elsewhere, said people rather watch or talk sports. Most of the American Legion guests circled the outer bar, watching sports, or singing karaoke.

They didn’t even want to hear the debate between Obama and John McCain.

One former officer swung by the TV screen, saying, “Have we voted yet?” then chuckled. Earlier, he joked that he wanted Ross Perot back.

Some were willing to talk about the choices, but couldn’t publicly identify themselves: they didn’t want to risk alienating their current employers or unions, which had already chosen a candidate.

As for those who chose karaoke over the debate, Ward said he didn’t know if it was apathy or just preference: a desire to sing.

“No one likes these guys,” Ward said, speaking of both Obama and McCain.

Catherine Flanagan wandered over to the TV set.

“I’m a McCain fan all the way,” she said. “I don’t like Obama at all.”

He is inexperienced and verges toward racism, she said.

“I can’t imagine what the next four years would be like with him,” Flanagan said.

“I didn’t think with economic condition we’re in, they’d hold the debate,” she said.

Speaking of the economic bail out, and solving health care, pollution, oil production problems, Ward shook his head.

“Neither say how they’ll do this,” Ward said frustrated.

Milton Martin is a Vietnam vet who was in the U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne.

“We can’t have Obama. I listen to talk radio all night long. Obama switches too much. He doesn’t know anything,” Martin said. “I’m so glad we have Palin in there too. I would vote for her for president. She knows more than Obama. Period. Everything she’s done is good for Alaska.”

Flanagan said this of McCain and Palin: “He knows, but she’s got the charisma.”

When the issue of Iraq arose, vets said neither of the candidates seem to understand the culture, or how to cope with the war lords who run Iraq, something U.S. leaders should have learned in Afghanistan.

Judi Graser is a McCain fan, although she wasn’t listening to the debate Friday night.

But looking at history, Graser, whose ex-husband was in the military, said “McCain is strong and has the experience and I think that means a lot.”

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#1 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 10:37 p.m.

That's funny ex.
You must of just woke up.

#2 Posted by LieStopper on September 26, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

#1-
What debate were you watching?
It was a draw at best.
Seriously, though, the fact that at this establishment, karaoke was the preference over a candidates debate speaks volumes about the fact that the average voter's intelligence is grossly underestimated by the campaigners, the candidates and the media.

#3 Posted by leftubehind on September 26, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I give Obama credit, McCain did so much filibustering, lying and smirking, I would have punched the old war criminal in the mouth!

#4 Posted by greathornedlizard on September 26, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, Obama kept interrupting and stuttering.

McCain stated his case clearly and articulately.

McCain kept correcting Obama's misunderstandings of the ways of the world.

There was no doubt that Obama had his as* kicked!

#5 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama had his behind (take that staff!) kicked!

#6 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, Obama kept interrupting and stuttering.

McCain stated his case clearly and articulately.

McCain kept correcting Obama's misunderstandings of the ways of the world.

There was no doubt that Obama had his behind kicked!

#7 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting that NDN would choose to censor reference to posterior yet leave outright slander unremoved.

#8 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

leftubehind,

Excuse me what? A draw????

McCain absolutely exposed Obama as the inexperienced, lost without a teleprompter empty suit that he is.

Look at this quick poll conducted at the http://www.drudgereport.com/

McCain is getting 73% of the vote for tonights debate with 48,000 votes already in!!!

What debate did you watch?

Wow, even Kerry debated much better than this Obama just got schooled.

#9 Posted by Sanity on September 26, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

of course ex31539er would say that did you even listen to the debate.

#10 Posted by downrite on September 26, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The way I saw it neither candidate had a knock out punch. Each one of them had good points and bad points. McCain is stronger in some areas and Obama has hid strengths in other areas.

After watching the debate I am no closer to making a decision on who I will vote for.

#11 Posted by swfl_ff on September 26, 2008 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I give Sen McCain credit for not using the term "whippersnapper" but he seemed so much like someone's grandfather lecturing on poor hygiene or not doing homework.
Sen. McCain has been a part of some good work but also a part of some very shady work. All in all, I would have been more entertained by watching Michelle and Cindy wrestle on a sheet of plastic covered with wesson oil.
In a worst case scenario, would I rather wake up to see a special message from President Biden or President Palin. I find one more frightening than the other.

#12 Posted by beenthere_56 on September 26, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, I watch the debate and I loved Obama, He ruled, he delivered all the punches one, two, three. He exposed Mycane for the liar he really is.

Mycane stammered, kept refering to the same thing, just phrased it differently. and OMG he actually played that tatered, worn out old war card again.

#13 Posted by sock_puppet on September 26, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In your dreams, sock!

#14 Posted by ex31539er on September 26, 2008 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sock_puppet,

Did you really watch the debate? are you that much of a blind supporter?

#15 Posted by Sanity on September 26, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama told McCain he shouldn't sing about bombing Iran.

McCain went into defensive mode, after Obama scolded him for singing about bombing Iran, by exploiting the dead troops. McCain pointed out a braclet he got from a dead soldier's mother.

Obama then pointed he had a braclet too, from a mother that didn't want other mothers going through what she has to deal with now.... A dead son!

Obama said we can't "muddle" it through Afghanistan. Something McCain has said in he past we can do.

Obama said McCain want's to give BIG OIL tax cuts and forgets abut 100's of thousands of middle class Americans.

McCain said we should "NEVER torture AGAIN"!

Obama several times looked McCain in the eye.

McCain was hunchbacked and avoided eye contact with Obama!

Obama tied McCain to Bush several times!

Obama reminded McCain he thought Iraq would be "easy"!

McCain said we need permission to get Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

Obama said we need NO permission to get Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

Obama reminded McCain that one of his own foreign policy advisors, Henry Kissinger, agreed with Obama on meeting with our enemies.

Obama was diplomatic, McCain was an angry old man.

Obama reminded everybody that McCain said he wouldn't even meet with the leader of Spain. Spain is an ally helping us in Afghanistan today!

Obama wore a flag on his lapel. McCain didn't!

Obama wiped the floor with McCain!

#16 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MOST (by far) MAJOR POLLS pick Obama as the winner of the debate!

(I haven't seen FOX News' Poll yet)

#17 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Headline for this article should have been:

Article written but few read on the NDN right wing newspaper.

This one is more fitting!

#18 Posted by NaplesCritic on September 27, 2008 at 12:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I watched both Obama and his entourage and McCain's entourage entering the studio.
It struck me that Obama was surrounded by about 30 black people, while McCains camp was all white.
I'm white. I'll be voting McCain.

#19 Posted by Naplestango on September 27, 2008 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We all have our opinions of who won and that's fine and dandy; however, here's what I don't understand. I was taught to look a man in the eye when speaking to him. It exudes confidence. Can someone please tell me why McCain did not show respect to Mr. Obama by not speaking direct to him manno to manno, eye to eye? It's a disrespectful gesture and the sign of lack of confidence. Further, he talked down to OBAMA and appeared to be stubborn and had no consideration for other ideas. And this is reaching across the aisle as he often says he will do? It's a give and take world but this old geezer has the attitude of my way or no way.

#20 Posted by Citizen_239 on September 27, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Typical of those who are for McCain. They don't listen. They are afraid to open their minds to consider another candidate.

Like McCain never looking at Obama during the debate. Yet he "talks" about bipartisanship.

Just what we need.

And then there's Palin. God help us!

You said it #15!

#21 Posted by krockit on September 27, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

#14

Geez. this a Presidential election, not a race war. Go back under your rock.

#22 Posted by Citizen_239 on September 27, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I think Obama won the economical part, and I think McCain won the foriegn policy part.

Personally, I don't like either of these candidates.

I don't believe in this bailout either.

So, I will be voting for McCain. At least the republicans are holding up on this bailout.

While the democratic majority run Congress, won't do nothing unless the Republicans vote for it allso.

What this tells me is that the Democrats don't have the gumption to make a decision for themselfs, and from what I have seen in the past, the Republicans do stuff even if the Democrats don't like it.

I will be voting for the party with the gumption to stand up for what they truely believe in, whether they are right or wrong. And that party happens to be the conservative right.

#23 Posted by RainMan on September 27, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Grading the First Presidential Debate

Obama..........

Substance: Quite manifestly immersed in the past, present, and future details of policy, and eager to express his views, which have been expanded, honed, and solidified during the last 18 months of hard campaigning. Still, he did avoid the nitty-gritty details of policy positions in favor of broad principles and references to working Americans, thereby not presenting the kind of specifics that some voters are waiting to hear from him.

Grade: B+

Style: Polished, confident, focused. Fully prepared, and able to convey a real depth of knowledge on nearly every issue. He was unhurried, and rarely lost his train of thought even when the debate wended and winded - and uttered far fewer of his trademark, distracting, "ums." At times, however, Obama revealed the level of his preparation by faltering over a rehearsed answer. He seemed to deliberately focus on the moderator and the home audience, with McCain as an afterthought - except when on the attack. Chose to avoid humor, for the most part, in favor of a stern demeanor, and in the process, came off as cool as a cucumber.

Grade: A

Offense: Linking McCain to Bush in his very first answer, he kept it up as his primary line of attack. Forcefully hit McCain for his early support of the Iraq War. Though he never drew blood, he did keep McCain a bit off balance, often with clever references to McCain's recent statements.

Grade: B

Defense: Had a reasonable answer for every charge that came his way - with little anger, bluster, or anxiety. Often interrupting McCain attacks with swift explanations and comebacks, he managed to spin accusations of being liberal as evidence of his relentless opposition to George Bush (in replies that were clearly planned). Offered a rather clumsy alternative to McCain's well-known, moving story of wearing the bracelet of a soldier lost in Iraq (a gift from the soldier's mother), with a story about a bracelet of his own. Fearless, without condescension, he attempted the gracious move of agreeing with or complimenting a McCain position, occasionally to his own detriment.

Grade: A-

Overall: Went for a solid, consistent performance to introduce himself to the country. He did not seem nervous, tentative, or intimidated by the event, and avoided mistakes from his weak debate performances during nomination season (a professorial tone and long winded answers). Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged - evocative of Reagan, circa 1980. He was so confident by the end that he reminded his biggest audience yet that his father was from Kenya. Two more performances like that and he will be very tough to beat on Election Day.

Obama: Overall grade: A-

#24 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Grading the First Presidential Debate (cont.)

McCain..........

Substance: His arguments were hard to follow at the beginning, but he found his voice as the debate progressed, although he never seemed fully in control of his message. He had plenty to say about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Russia, but often bogged down his own answers when trying to unfurl quips and soundbites. Stuck with bumper sticker slogans on the economy, and while he got a bit more detailed on foreign policy, he stayed at his usual level of abstraction. If he truly knows more about the world than Obama, he didn't show it in this debate.

Grade: B-

Style: Cluttered, jumpy, and often muddled. Frequent coughing early on helped neither his arguments nor his image. Jokes about being deaf and anecdotes about Normandy and George Shultz seemed ill-advised - even his pen was old. His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger. Fell into the classic politician's trap of inserting familiar stump speech applause lines into debate responses - which only works if done with enthusiasm and clarity (and if received by applause - a big No-No in Lehrer's auditorium, which the audience obeyed seriously and silently). Keenly aware of the grand, grave occasion, McCain wavered between respectful and domineering, and ended up awkward and edgy.

Grade: C-

Offense: Emphasized his bread and butter issues of taxes and spending, and hit Obama on his failure to visit Iraq and his expressed willingness to meet with dictators. But while mocking his opponent on a few occasions, which reflected his acute disrespect for Obama, he did so in an insufficiently sharp and detailed manner - and unevenly worked elements of his rival's record into his attacks. Still he was utterly confident about his own experience, knowledge, and policies, even when tripped by his own tongue and distracted by the strains of debate practice. The main problem: Obama's obvious preparation and sharp answers contradicted McCain's frequent claims that the Democrat was uninformed and "didn't understand" key issues.

Grade: C+

Defense: He managed to ignore most of Obama's jibes, but was eventually baited into giving an extended answer about his policy differences with President Bush, after his opponent repeatedly mentioned McCain's regular support of Bush's budgets. Was visibly riled when clashing with Obama over a variety of issues, including Iraq, sanctions, and spending. He also chose to boast about Sarah Palin (although not by name) as his maverick partner, who, after her shaky week, may no longer be his ace in the hole.

Grade: B-

(cont.)

#25 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(cont.)

McCain..........

Overall: McCain was McCain - evocative, intense, and at times emotional, but also vague, elliptical, and atonal. Failed to deliver his "country first versus Obama first" message cleanly, even when offered several opportunities. Surprisingly, did not talk much about "change," virtually ceding the dominant issue of the race.

McCain: Overall grade: B-

LINK.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080927...

#26 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rainman, this is a BIG one Foreign Policy.
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Obama:
"We've got to deal with Pakistan, because al Qaeda and the Taliban have safe havens in Pakistan, across the border in the northwest regions, and although, you know, under George Bush, with the support of Senator McCain, we've been giving them $10 billion over the last seven years, they have not done what needs to be done to get rid of those safe havens.

And until we do, Americans here at home are not going to be safe."
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McCain:
"I'm not prepared at this time to cut off aid to Pakistan. So I'm not prepared to threaten it, as Senator Obama apparently wants to do, as he has said that he would announce military strikes into Pakistan.

We've got to get the support of the people of -- of Pakistan. He said that he would launch military strikes into Pakistan.

Now, you don't do that. You don't say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government."
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Obama:
"If the United States has al Qaeda, bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then we should take them out.

Now, I think that's the right strategy; I think that's the right policy."

#27 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIGHT-ON with what justme123 said!

#28 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on twice.
NAPLESTANGO is what is wrong with America.
His ability to think ends at his skin color.

ANOTHER INSIGHTFUL REPUBLICAN.
If that is the way you all feel, just admit it and quit lying about policies etc. Go skin a moose.

#29 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LMFAO @ "go skin a moose."

Too too funny! =D

Obama/Biden '08
Change we can believe in.
YES WE CAN!

#30 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't know Rock.
What makes you think so?
Buc was VERY edgy yesterday.

#31 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ex31539er was #1 post here right after the debate. Maybe that's who you mean. He was a newbie. 31539 is central Georgia. So we didn't expect help from him anyway.

Hey, I know I have gotten on you at times, but we are cool as far as I am concerned. It's all good. Election ends soon.

#32 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RockfordGrad is too ashamed to answer that question. Let's see if he takes my bait now.

#33 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

or she***

#34 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama BURSTS McCain's "Braclet" baloon!
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McCain: "And I'll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, 'Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son's name on it.'

He was 22 years old and he was killed in combat outside of Baghdad, Matthew Stanley, before Christmas last year. This was last August, a year ago. And I said, 'I will -- I will wear his bracelet with honor.'

And this was August, a year ago. And then she said, 'But, Senator McCain, I want you to do everything -- promise me one thing, that you'll do everything in your power to make sure that my son's death was not in vain.'

That means that that mission succeeds, just like those young people who re-enlisted in Baghdad, just like the mother I met at the airport the other day whose son was killed. And they all say to me that we don't want defeat."
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Obama:
"Jim, let me just make a point. I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through.

No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided. Our troops have performed brilliantly. The question is for the next president, are we making good judgments about how to keep America safe precisely because sending our military into battle is such an enormous step.

And the point that I originally made is that we took our eye off Afghanistan, we took our eye off the folks who perpetrated 9/11, they are still sending out videotapes and Senator McCain, nobody is talking about defeat in Iraq, but I have to say we are having enormous problems in Afghanistan because of that decision.

And it is not true you have consistently been concerned about what happened in Afghanistan. At one point, while you were focused on Iraq, you said well, we can "muddle through" Afghanistan. You don't muddle through the central front on terror and you don't muddle through going after bin Laden. You don't muddle through stamping out the Taliban.

I think that is something we have to take seriously. And when I'm president, I will."

#35 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The debate made me feel safer with McCain. I would feel safer with Palin rather than Obama. For some reason, Obama still comes off being naive. Why did he (Obama) keep using "gota"? Is the trying to relate to the common folk?

#36 Posted by froglegs on September 27, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's easy to understand why McCain tried to duck the debate. He'd have been better off not showing up, than exposing just how poor his judgement on Foreign Policy actually is.

And that's supposed to be his strength? He's in big trouble now!

#37 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironside, you just said what I what I was thinking.

McCain's all politician playing on people's emotions because he has nothing to say. Who cares what he has to say?

What is your plan, McCain?

"I'm a Maverick".

I think you're living in the past, like 40 years ago. This isn't the Vietcong, it's not Matthew Broderick's War Games of the '80s. The "War on Terror" requires a different strategy.

Obama showed leadership and common sense. He looked toward the future and consequences of the past.

Obama recognized that if you don't learn from the past that history repeats itself.

Obama's been paying attention.

Obama has used thought and logic. He paused and listened and revealed the true issues.

If you as a voter can't see through the SHOCK AND AWE, and the smoke and mirrors of the last 8 years, then I pity you.

McCain can't solve those problems that most of us seek solutions because he DOESN'T SEE THEM, nor does he understand the issues.

Are you concerned about this little place called paradise?

#38 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Buccaneer, does that mean you're going to Palin's luncheon at the Donohue estate next week? You've got $10K to spend for lunch?

#39 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sarah sez, "Wayen that Putin reyars his hayed, and fuhlies into Americayen Ayerspace, wayer do you think he goes..." Whut?

That's Bucs gal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#40 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for you. I'm impressed.

#41 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Educated guess.

#42 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bucs, you've been such a piece-o-crap lately.
Why don't you get booted for good. You are such a liar!!!!!!!!!

#43 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually I hate the Buc's. Buc's suck, Buc. NFC East.

#44 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where's all my other friends today CTL?

#45 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

cult? buc?
Who are you cult?
You know I am CutLib.

Buc, I was just throwing you a piece of meat with the crap statement.
I know you are a carnivore...

#46 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Giants. Little punk Eli earned my respect last season.

#47 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The TRUTH about John McCain's POW status.....

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

Imagine if this was John Kerry's story. The rightwing Republicans would have replaced their "Purple Heart" band-aids of MOCKERY, at the 2004 Republican Convention, with slogans of TREASON!

#48 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just a fan of your posts LieStopper.

#49 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buc, I am a Dolphin ticket holder, so back off!
JYD and Iron are big fans too.
Although they do not go together anymore....

#50 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks cult. I appreciate that.
Just thought that maybe your name had changed recently with the rest of us.

#51 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, Buc. It's Saturday. Give me time to respond. Relax. Who's your pick for Mich St./Indiana?

#52 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not go to the Ravens OT game last year. I was tired of losing.
So I have not seen a win since '06.

Lumping me up over Obama is a breeze compared to being a Dolfan. Seriously.
CutLib.

#53 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, LS, I thought I was a part of the booted crowd but then I came back. What's up with the censorship? Everything's so one-sided. I think they call it the antonym of the non-offensive-offensive of bad rear side coffee place. That dude's side.

#54 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LS...

JYD and I would go to a Fins again together again. But it has been a while. As of late, we have been speaking to each other on the phone quite often. It's good between us again. No hard feelings are being held these days.

#55 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Got it, cult. I think......
Either way, g-day.
Back to my tiling job before my little Sarah skins me like a....well you know.......
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Moose.
CutLib.

#56 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's great Iron.
Politics ruining friendships is a bad thang.

#57 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man, that was some bad anglish......

#58 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buc, don't bash Bal-more. Lived there a long time ago. Used to have breakfast at Jimmys in Fells Point. "Homicide Life on the Street and "The Wire" filmed on location there. Lot's of authenticity and history there. An old city where the best restaurants aren't in strip malls.

#59 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama will win the election with a close popular vote that he might lose, but with a comfortable lead in electoral votes. You read it first here.

#60 Posted by 676 on September 27, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buccaneer, I plead the fifth. Who did you used to be? I like reading these blogs, some people say the darndest things. I got to find another article though, this one's about toast. I'll confer with you later.

#61 Posted by cult_of_culpability on September 27, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama held his own on foreign policy and realized that iraq costs us $10 bil per month. He seemed to tie foreign costs into domestic dollars. Cheney seemed to be cranky and condescending. I’ve seen enough of Cheney over the last 8 plus years. Time for change.

#62 Posted by rasputin on September 27, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ironside,

Do you mind refraining from your copy and paste nonsense and post some original thoughts?

I honestly cannot wait for this election to be over.

#63 Posted by Sanity on September 27, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

676,

You were wrong about housing and you will be wrong about Obama as well.

#64 Posted by Sanity on September 27, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did Palin listen to the debate? I don't recall seeing her response last night?

#65 Posted by rasputin on September 27, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rasputin,

Change for the sake of change? What exactly is he going to change? More spending and more handouts to his loser, freeloader Democratic constituency?

If you think that taxing the crap out of business "cause its fair" is going to help produce more jobs, you are living in a dream world.

#66 Posted by Sanity on September 27, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Insanity, it’s time to change away from the philosophy of socializing corporate losses. It’s time to change away from the philosophy of blowing up countries to promote democracy. It’s time to change away from zero corporate (and govn.) accountability and no government regulation. Under Bush2-Cheny1 we’ve seen 9/11, Iraq war, Enron, Great Depression2, reduction in individual rights (patriot act), war torture, monica (Goodling), and much much more…Enough of this!

Cheney mentioned how the US has the highest corporate tax rate, and the low corporate tax rate in Ireland. However, he failed to mention Ireland’s VAT which is their sales tax. Do you have any idea the rate of this tax? 5%? 10%? How about 21%. One way or the other the government is going to get the money needed to operate. Is Cheney2's plan to incorporate a federal sales tax? Get a clue, or, please please, keep your head buried in the sand, because praying obviously isn’t cutting it.

#67 Posted by rasputin on September 27, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, I don’t know if I would refer to the educated as being the “freeloader Democratic constituency.” According to pretty much every Gallup poll, 58% of those with postgraduate education support Obama, whereas only 37% with postgrad ed support Cheney2. I don’t know too many Dr’s or lawyers looking for handouts as you suggest.

#68 Posted by rasputin on September 27, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sanity, I haven't made less than 6 figures on any of my properties, BUT I will have to say, for the average Joe it's been a lot worse than I expected. I'm amazed at some of the folks they actually let have a mortgage. There's a 50-50 split on fault there. In select areas with few short sells or foreclosures, I'm still buying.
Check back after the election and I'll tell you "I told you so."

#69 Posted by 676 on September 27, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cult of,
Buc was Aquaman, Ryu, CutthroatIndependant, CTI,
so many I have forgotten.
I was driver08, then CutthroatLiberal.

I try to be good, but the NDN gets on a roll sometimes.
I state my CTL name often. They won't boot ya if you behave.

#70 Posted by LieStopper on September 27, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

toookie in the house!!!!!!!!

#71 Posted by rasputin on September 27, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sanity...

It's a shame you've missed so many of my "original" thoughts.

Here catch up on some of them now.....

You can put lipstick on a pig....
and the Rightwingers would still be a bunch of hypocrites
http://www.politicalplace.com/mccain_...

Iraq War Veteran Protests McCain's Acceptance Speech
http://politicalplace.com/mccain_acce...

Exposing the Lies and Condescending Remarks of Sarah Palin
http://politicalplace.com/palin_rheto...

Sarah Who?
http://www.politicalplace.com/mccain_...

Another Reason to Vote for Barack Obama
http://www.politicalplace.com/obama_b...

John McCain now agrees with re-enacting the draft!
http://politicalplace.com/mccain_draf...

Is John McCain the "underdog" that he claims he is?
http://politicalplace.com/mccain_unde...

Why Elect Barack Obama
http://politicalplace.com/why_obama.htm

We CAN NOT "Muddle Through it in Afghanistan"
http://www.politicalplace.com/muddle_...

Is John McCain Playing the Race Card?
http://politicalplace.com/mccain_race...

The Rightwing's PHONY OUTRAGE
http://politicalplace.com/phony_outra...

John McCain Is Running for President, not John Edwards
http://www.politicalplace.com/mccain_...

John McCain's Dishonest Campaign Ad
http://politicalplace.com/mccain_vete...

John McCain Goes Negative
http://politicalplace.com/negative_mc...

PROPAGANDA ALERT
http://politicalplace.com/propaganda_...

Enjoy!

#72 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rasputin, Sarah Palin has been in hiding since her disastrous interviews. She wasn't at the debate, she was at a "debate party" in Pennsylvania instead!

#73 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

let me get this out of the way I am a terriable speller so please do not kill me for mispelling here. Thanks in advance

I watched the debate last night and even dvr'ed it so I could rewatch it to make sure I agree with my first assesment. I do not think either canidate really took control of the debate. However I did see some bright spots on the obama side I think he was right on the money about pakistan we have sent them 10 mil of our tax dollars for their aid and they are harbouring the taliban and alkeida and just this week the paki army fired on american troops at the border of afganistan and paki. I say nuke the entire middle east and in oh about 100 years or so we can send pres dud and chenney and rice there powell right along with them. in my opinion they all should be tried as war criminals there no better than sadam was. sending our men and women into a country to fight and lose their lives for oil he wanted. he tried to make it in the oil business and went bankrupt twice and now his dad and him are in the saudis pockets so deep. and this country cannot afford 4 more years of the same type of government. remember when clinton left office we had a 3 trillion surplus and now 8 short years later we have a 7 trillion defesit and our economy is in shambles were close to the great depression#2. Ther reason the dem have not passed the bailout(and by the way I am against it) they wanted bi partisian agreement Mccrazy went to washington and stopped it. I thought it was funny that someone aske pres dub to have him leave town he was not helping at all. if thats the kind of president you want god help this country because we are doomed

#74 Posted by slingshot2002 on September 27, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

slingshot.

We actually sent Pakistan $10 billion over the past seven years. Not $10 million.

We're also psending $10 billion EVERY month in Iraq, while they have a surplus of $79 billion and we have a national deficit of $9.5 trillion.

Sad, isn't it?

#75 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

psending = spending

#76 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TRUTH about John McCain's POW status.....

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

Imagine if this was John Kerry's story. The rightwing Republicans would have replaced their "Purple Heart" band-aids of MOCKERY, at the 2004 Republican Convention, with slogans of TREASON!

#77 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I MADE THE DISCLAIMER THAT i WAS TERRIBALE AT SPELLING( AND NO I'M NOT A KID) YOU LIBERAIL BAFOONS STICK WITH MCCRAZY YOU DESERVE ONE ANOTHER. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH REPUBLICANS THEY NEVER WANT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY IT'S ALWAYS THERE WAY OR IT'S THE WRONG WAY. AND SEE THE MESS THIS COUNTRY IS IN BECAUSE OR THEIR INGORANCE AND LACK OF LEADERSHIP WE HAVE AN IDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND IDIOTS ARE GONNA VOTE FOR ANOTHER IDIOT MCCAIN. LETS BREAK THE CYCLE (LIKE THEY USED TO SAY ABOUT CHILD ABUSERS) AND VOTE DEM

#78 Posted by slingshot2002 on September 27, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I AGREE WITH YOU SLINGSHOT!!! YOU NEED TO IGNORE BUCCANEER HE HAS ISSUES!!!!!

#79 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fudge, I started ignoring Buccaneer, aka Aquaman aka CTI aka CutThroatIndependent aka many others usernames, yesterday.

He used to be funny, he's become childish. This is no personal attack either, it's an observation.

#80 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agree! Blog on Iron I find your posts informative and I value your perspective.

#81 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, fudge!

I shall. I know I'm doing good when the rightwingers want to attack me. It's very flattering! ;]

#82 Posted by Ironside on September 27, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And slingshot who cares about spelling just chalk it up to typo errors thats what I do and when I write and I can't spell it I write sloppily so you can't read it. What do you think Doctors always do.

#83 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HUN, I don't think Irons feelings are hurt......as you said Iron is made of STEELE!!!

And Dems are nasty. The whole of the debate last night was your man as nothing but a nasty bitter old man.

#84 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh I'm just funning ya Buc. Lets count to 10....

Here we go
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and 10

Relax bro

#85 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems the only coward here is the big man calling people out from the safety of his computer.

#86 Posted by 5GsforCirclesofSistahs on September 27, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See I'm your other conscience(sloppy writing) Doodoodoodooodooodoo!!! You need me man!

#87 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

consience=consious Ooops messed that up bad...

Slinghshot what the heck are you worried about?

#88 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's the best you've got, big boy?

#89 Posted by 5GsforCirclesofSistahs on September 27, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You trying to pull that hypocrytical elitist thing there Buc. Sorry read your posts won't work. I'm sorry that your N subscribtion has EXPIRED!!!!

#90 Posted by fudge on September 27, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another typically biased and one-sided story from the clueless reporter I.M. Stackel.

When will the NDN hire some real reporters instead of old, ill-informed goofs???

#91 Posted by FloridaBoy on September 27, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)



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